August 2005 - crux-devel

[clc-devel] applicant for becoming a CLC maintainer
by Simon Gloßner 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

Hello, I'm writing this mail because I want to become a CLC maintainer. Firstly I think you are interested in why I want to join it. Well, I like Crux very much, so I want to do something for this distribution and another point is that I want to improve my english for school. Secondly here are all ports I want to maintain in the future: - pal (it's a really nice calendar) - muttprint (it's useful for everyone who uses mutt) - lineakd (useful for multimedia keyboards) - lineak_defaultplugin If there's a general interest in abcde, I can maintain it too. All ports listed above are maintained and used by myself for several months. You can get a quick overview of my repository at the following url: http://hometux.de/crux/ports/ I've read all requirements of becoming a maintainer and I think I can perform them. I use ck4up to keep all ports up-to-date and I am subscribed to both mailinglists of crux and CLC. I also use irc. But, there's also a problem. I do not have any experiences in CVS. I have read some guides about it and I think I understand CVS in theory, so I hope that this isn't a problem for you. I assume that I will not play with the CVS repository. :) Regards Viper

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[Fwd: Re: [clc-devel] Common place for SSL certs/keys?]
by Matt Housh 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

Oops, sent to the wrong list.

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[clc-devel] Common place for SSL certs/keys?
by Tilman Sauerbeck 30 Aug '05

30 Aug '05

Hi folks, several ports in contrib place SSL certificates and keys in /etc/ssl/certs/$server resp /etc/ssl/private/$server. Examples include dovecot and vsftpd (they actually might be the only ones ;D). Apache however uses /etc/httpd/ssl.cert resp /etc/httpd/ssl.key. I suggest to make Apache store its certificates/keys in /etc/ssl as well. Comments? Regards, Tilman -- learn to quote: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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[clc-devel] Re: Fw: Hosting of CruxCon 2005
by Jay Dolan 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

--- Ramprasad Bala <rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu> wrote: > > Hi Jay, > > Bolek forwarded this mail to me. I am looking into > this. I can probably get > you a room for a week with internet access, as long > as you can assure me > about the safety of the contents accessed through > the university > webservers. I have no doubt it will be fine. I need > you to be aware of our > concerns. I will check with the University brass > about this tomorrow. > Meanwhile can you send me on your official > stationary (if available) the > agenda for this meeting. I am going to need this to > give it to them (the > university) to request a room for a week. > > As you know, I have organized the Linux User Group > at the university. I > would love for you guys to give us a 1-2 hour > workshop and answer questions. > > Let me know what you think. > > Ram Hi Ram, Professor Mikolajczak, Thank you for getting back to me, and thank you so much for your help. I can assure you that the CLC has no ill intentions towards the University, and will in no way attempt to compromise the security of the campus network. Internet access would be used primarily for reference, as we plan to do quite a bit of hacking (read: coding) during our conference. The people attending are all professionals - some are even security specialists and IT administrators. I will formalize our agenda and submit it to you over the weekend. Our tentative agenda can be viewed, in the interim, here: http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/wiki?p=CruxConAgenda We would love to meet with your LUG, Ram. A brief presentation and some Q&A would be really fun. It would be best if we planned this for, say, the Thursday or Friday of that week. I've CC'ed the CLC team on this mail, and I'm sure they're excited as well. Thanks again, both of you. We're very greatful. I'll be in touch. Jay Jay Dolan Software Engineer, Systems Analyst Windmill Cycles, Inc. 508.999.4000 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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[clc-devel] Fwd: Fw: Hosting of CruxCon 2005
by Jay Dolan 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

--- Ramprasad Bala <rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu> wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:47:15 -0400 > To: jasonthomasdolan(a)yahoo.com > From: Ramprasad Bala <rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu> > Subject: Fw: Hosting of CruxCon 2005 > CC: Boleslaw Mikolajczak <bMikolajczak(a)UMassD.Edu> > > > Hi Jay, > > Bolek forwarded this mail to me. I am looking into > this. I can probably get > you a room for a week with internet access, as long > as you can assure me > about the safety of the contents accessed through > the university > webservers. I have no doubt it will be fine. I need > you to be aware of our > concerns. I will check with the University brass > about this tomorrow. > Meanwhile can you send me on your official > stationary (if available) the > agenda for this meeting. I am going to need this to > give it to them (the > university) to request a room for a week. > > As you know, I have organized the Linux User Group > at the university. I > would love for you guys to give us a 1-2 hour > workshop and answer questions. > > Let me know what you think. > > Ram > > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Dolan" > <jasonthomasdolan(a)yahoo.com> > >>To: <bmikolajczak(a)UMassD.Edu> > >>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:20 PM > >>Subject: Hosting of CruxCon 2005 > >> > >> > >>>Hello Professor, > >>> > >>>This is Jay Dolan, I graduated in 2002, and > attended > >>>the alumni meeting this past spring. How are > you? > >>> > >>>I'm doing well. Still working and living in this > >>>area. I'm employed as a full time software > engineer, > >>>developing web based retail and CRM systems. > >>> > >>>One of my hobbies, or passions, that I picked up > these > >>>past few years has been the development of a > GNU/Linux > >>>distrubution called Crux[1]. I'm one of a team > of > >>>less than twenty that packages, distributes, and > >>>maintains the operating system. It's a very > >>>interesting project. We attempt to tame bleeding > edge > >>>open source software like Linux 2.6, udev, gcc > 3.4, > >>>etc.. > >>> > >>>Last year, the team held our first anual summit > in > >>>Stockholm, Sweden. I attended, and found the > meeting > >>>to be very productive and enjoyable. As Boston > was > >>>suggested as a meeting place this year, I've been > >>>asked to host and coordinate the group. > >>> > >>>I'm writing to ask if the University could > provide us > >>>with a room, or part of a room, to conduct our > daily > >>>meetings in. The conference is for 1 week, that > of > >>>November 7th. There will be between 5 and 10 > persons > >>>attending, myself included. > >>> > >>>All we require is a relatively quiet place to > work, > >>>preferably with some sort of Internet access. > Our > >>>meetings are mostly brainstorming and hacking > >>>sessions. If you feel as tho the student body > would > >>>be interested, we could offer a 1 hour > presentation on > >>>the project, or certain aspects of it that > pertain to > >>>a given course/subject. > >>> > >>>Some of the team members attending are extremely > >>>bright, and are coming from all over the world > >>>(Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, and the > US). I > >>>would really appreciate it if my alma mater > welcomed > >>>them, in the spirit of research and progress in > >>>software development. > >>> > >>>[1] http://crux.nu, http://clc.morpheus.net > >>> > >>>I look forward to your response. Feel free to > ask for > >>>any clarifications. > >>> > >>>Best regards, > >>> > >>>Jay Dolan > >>>Software Engineer, Systems Analyst > >>>Windmill Cycles, Inc. > >>>508.999.4000 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Yahoo! Mail > >>>Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take > the tour: > >>>http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > Ramprasad Balasubramanian, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor, Computer and Information > Science > University of Massachusetts Dartmouth > No. Dartmouth, MA 02747 > Ph: 508 999 8259, Fax : 508 999 9144 > E-mail : rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu > Web: www.cis.umassd.edu/~rbalasubrama/home/ > > Jay Dolan Software Engineer, Systems Analyst Windmill Cycles, Inc. 508.999.4000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[clc-devel] CVS/SVN Versions of ports (policy?)
by James Mills 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

HI GUys, What is our policy on providing cvs/svn versions of ports ? Do we name the port 'port'-svn or just 'port' with the version 'svn' ? cheers James -- -- -"Problems are Solved by Method" -

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[clc-devel] CruxCon 2005 - Boston, MA, USA
by Jay Dolan 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

Hi guys, Boston, Massachusetts, has been selected for this year's conference. Meetings will be held the week of November 7th in New Bedford and/or North Dartmouth, where I live[1]. We're also factoring in one recreational day of sight seeing and fun in Boston, so bring your beer mugs. I can provide accomodations for 2 attendants. Neither spot has been spoken for yet. There are also several reasonably priced hotels[2] within 15 minutes from my apartment. I live approximately 1 hour from Logan Intl Airport. I have absolutely no problem making one trip for departures and arrivals, each. Additional rides can be arranged in exchange for backrubs. It would be helpful if those who want a ride to/from the airport coordinate their flight times with the other attendants. Probable attendants: Per Liden Johannes Winkelmann Matt Housh Jay Dolan (I dunno, I might skip..) We have some big issues to tackle this year. Merging the two projects, their websites, and deploying the new 'contrib' collection are among them. Hopefully, with a full week to work together, we can accomplish a great deal. Please consider attending if you have the means to. We have a lot of planning to do (most of that will fall on my lap, which is fine :)) I will do everything I can to accomodate, organize, and provide whatever we need. I hope to hear from you all soon. [1]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34+s+6th+st,+new+bedford,+ma&spn=0.019624,0… [2]http://www.hotels.com/processSearch.do?inout=&CIYear=2005&COYear=2005&sea… Jay Dolan Software Engineer, Systems Analyst Windmill Cycles, Inc. 508.999.4000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[clc-devel] CRUXCon 2005
by Johannes Winkelmann 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Hi there, As same of you probably remember we had a nice get together in Stockholm last year, discussing issues and goals of CRUX and CLC and preparing some ideas for the future. The experience from the last year shows that it's important to prepare early enough for this meeting, and I'd therefore like to ask your opinion on having another CRUXCon later this year. I've made a list of thing I consider interesting and worth discussing at http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/wiki?p=CruxConAgenda Furthermore, it's always interesting to see the other guys in real life, and I personally liked last year's event very much. The proposed time is november; if we want to do some actual hacking, a duration of a week would be great. Also this allows for more social activities. Last year, we met in Stockholm, with Jay and Matt coming especially from the US. This year's location is yet to be set. To get an idea of the interest, I'd appreciate if interested CLC members to take following survey: -------- 1. Would/Could you attend CRUXCon '05 in november this year? 2. Would you attend even if it was on another continent (US <-> Europe <-> Australia)? 3. Could you attend a meeting with a duration of a week? 4. Do you have any suggestion where it should be held this year? -------- Kind regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Bern, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net

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[clc-devel] Proposal for multi-architecture ports management
by Johannes Winkelmann 15 Aug '05

15 Aug '05

Hi, Multi architecture support was of some interest for some time already, and the momentum and demand for crux on x86_64 is growing; also, there are some maintainers here that have x86_64 cpu's already. I'm one of them, but ran the regular 32-bit version so far, mainly because I'm still maintaining a few ports for the 32-bit version and didn't want to get into a conflict there. I think though that the time has come to seriously consider solutions to improve the support for multiple architectures, and to enable ports (of CRUX) to non-x86 architectures to use and re-use the work we put into the ports tree. You might be aware that I've experimented a long time ago with a merge tool called mppm, which worked rather nice, and was used by Simone for uCRUX. http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/mppm.html Also, I wrote a merge point tracking for subversion called xsvn, which I used for CRUX/SPARC. http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/xsvn/xsvn-howto.html I think that using a pure revision control tool isn't really suitable to solve our problem, and that using a semi-smart tool for the task of syncing ports is much better. As a consequence of the experience gained from using mppm and xsvn, I've tried to come up with an improved concept for multi-architecutre support. The result is a rather long document, and can be found at http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/multi-arch-proposal I understand that not all of you are interested in this at this point in time, which is perfectly fine. If you are though, I'd appreciate if you could read through this document, ask and/or comment. If wanted, I can add it to the CLC wiki, but figured that at this point in time, I'd rather keep it on my website to underline it's inofficial state. Thanks for your attention, Regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Bern, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net

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[clc-devel] ports for ruby gems
by Johannes Winkelmann 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Hi, Ruby has its own package management system called 'gems'. It supports dependency checking, and simplifies packaging for developers (see [1] for more information). Certain packages are mainly distributed as gems, including the much hyped "Ruby on Rails". The positive thing about gems is that they support DESTDIR installations. This allows to install a gem directly into a crux package. Since the steps for this are always the same, it's possible to have a generic build() function which works for all gems (at least all I tested). I saw this on gentoo BTW, so I didn't invent anything here. I now built a rubygems port which includes a template Pkgfile with a generic build function (you can see it at [2]). Gems ports can source this, and are therefore very easy to create. A typical Pkgfile could look like this: # header name=activerecord version=1.11.1 release=1 source=(http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/5163/activerecord-1.11.1.gem) . /usr/share/rubygems/Pkgfile.template Now, while this is really simple, it hides all the details of the installation; one could do something similar for autotools projects, and so on... I don't think we want to push this. Unlike autotools projects, gems always have the very same installation procedure, therefore it could make sense to make an exception in this case. I'd like to hear comments though about both ruby ports in general, and this Pkgfile.template sourcing. Kind regards, Johannes P.S. I'm rather tired now, so place excuse any grammar and spelling errors :-) References: 1. http://rubygarden.org/ruby/ruby?RubyGems 2. http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/ports/rubygems/Pkgfile.template -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Bern, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net

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