Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
An attempt to form a baseline C design which was to be openly discussed from day one, rather than publicly previewed once in beta stages of implementation, was already put forth and immediately rejected.
What exactly are you talking about? Simone hasn't published any code so far (at least not to my knowledge). The attribute stuff is explicitely marked as not being meant to be used in the final implentation but to show how attributes could work (sidenote: attributes is a concept we've been talking about since CRUXCon 2004).
The only person who has so far posted code and suggested it to be used for future pkgutils was you (Jay) [1], and it hardly qualifies as an implementation in beta stages since it was just a c header file.
Did you misread me, or are you trying to twist my point? Mark said "setup something for public eyes" to which I replied "I tried that - it didn't fly." The fact that the header file I posted was a bare skeleton and more of a design document was exactly my point. I did not feel very strongly that we should even use it - it was simply an optional starting point for a group effort. Your response, however, was "that's not appropriate, we should start with discussion and planning" (which was exactly what that file was supposed to prompt). Lo and behold, you and Simone have both been working on rewrites in private. Do you see my point?
When I wanted to discuss it and dared to question your approach to use a C header as starting point for a _design_ discussion, you got offended ("..forget i posted it. you do it.") and figured it would be a good idea to attack my coding efforts ("but i've seen enough of your code to say with confidence that you do not always execute planning strategy").
Now this... what are you trying to achieve? Confused, Johannes
I'm struggling with my wording here. Having worked with you for some time on this project, I am under the impression that if you do not do something, it is not good enough for you to use. For that reason, I am frustrated and disinclined to participate anymore. I don't really want to go into detail about all of this on the list - maybe you and I can talk about it sometime if you want. But for now, I'm withdrawing from this discussion and future CRUX development. I will still maintain my ports and update them on crux.nu unless the group concludes that would be a liability. -- Jay Dolan jdolan.dyndns.org A: Because it's annoying to read. Q: Why is top-posting bad? A: Top posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing about usenet?