Hi there, I just wanted to start a little discussion about our 'unmaintained' ports collection WRT some recent posts to this list. I think there are actually ports in unmaintained which haven't been updated in a long time; publishing them is kind of annoying for users as they are often broken (this has been pointed out by Markus already). But there is also a good number of ports of which I'm certain some users update them for their uses without publishing the changes; one of the reason why these changes are not published is certainly that we have somewhat agreed not to update ports in unmaintained anymore to motivate people to become CLC maintainers and increase the ports in contrib; this has not (yet) worked out as at least I hoped it would, even though it's already much better than it used to be earlier. So the question is: should we leave unmaintained the way it is, losing potential updates, or should we define some basic rules on creating patches? Related to this is a proposition Matt made on IRC: dropping ports which haven't been updated for a certain amount of time, and I believe this could be combined with the idea to allow changes for the CLC collection: If no maintainer updates a port, and no no patch from a user arrived at CLC for $TIME, a port is moved to a place where it can still be accessed somehow (for historians and port developers), but not served to the user anymore. Best regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Biel, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net