ncrfgs, Why don't you just admit that you personally dislike and do not trust the CLC? You're not being very subtle at tip-toeing around it. It's okay - it's not like anyone hasn't figured it out yet. Just say "I don't like CLC. I think I should have been invited to CruxCon to make sure my agendas were met. Etc etc.." To which the CLC might reply, "That's fine if you do not like the CLC. We make no effort to influence or meddle with your project. Please do the same for us," and "You were not invited because you are not on the CLC." It's fairly simple. If you'd like to attend, submit an application for CLC maintainership. If you're accepted, and do your part for the project, you will of course be welcome to attend the next meeting. The bottom line is that the CLC project is naturally more closely tied to CRUX than PPC/IT because 1) it is for the same architecture and 2) it is documented and converses in the same language (English). I can understand that those points may frustrate you some, but that's the reality of the situation. Aside from that, you've been somewhat antagonistic in the past (and present). What cptn was trying to politely imply before is that we didn't want any bitching and moaning at the very first meeting. We had precious little time, and we wanted to use it efficiently. Personally, I didn't fly 9 hours each way to hear someone cry about "GNU/Linux." Ya feelin' me? ===== Jay Dolan Software Engineer, Systems Analyst Windmill Cycles, Inc. 508.999.4000 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com