Hey there, Currently, we're shipping Blackbox in the ISO, which is definitely a good example for a KISS window manager; personally, I've used it exclusively for the past 6+ years. However two issues made me recently reconsider this (I haven't switched yet), and I think the same applies also for shipping it as default WM on the ISO: * Unmaintained upstream: We already patch it to compile with gcc 4.3; patches for this, along with other bugfixes, have been submitted to the sourceforge bugtracker quite some time ago, and it appears there's no one integrating these. * No support for numerous X features Blackbox lacks support for both Xinerama (patch in the sourceforge bugtracker since end of 2005 :-)) and xrandr, thus making dual screen setups more painful than it should be. Due to the lack of upstream maintenance, this is unlikely to change for any new features to come. Given that we want to avoid playing upstream in our ports, and that our secondary focus is supporting recent technologies, I think it's time to discuss whether blackbox is the best choice today. I wouldn't necessarily build a new ISO just for this, but if we are then we might as well do it for 2.5 already. As for alternatives, openbox is high on my list, but has some more dependencies (which are all already on the ISO though), but maybe others can comment on that and suggest their preference; I guess any reasonably lightweight WM in opt that is used by more than just one maintainer (= would stay in opt even if the current maintainer leaves) would qualify. Cheers, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann jw@smts.ch