Sorry I couldn't make it. I had a timezone fail, showing up a day early, then got sick that night. On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:11:47 +0200 Johannes Winkelmann <jw@smts.ch> wrote:
Hi,
Here's a short summary of yesterday's meeting; unfortunately, clb couldn't join us, so I've attached the log. Here's a list of things we discussed (see http://crux.nu/Wiki/MeetingAgenda for more details):
2. Format of .arch files - we agreed that users should look at dot files, these are for tools; so my idea to add the "# Arch maintainer" to .arch files doesn't make sense Action points: merge Lucas' pkgmk changes
There was a question raised , by Johannes I believe, about whether this file should be sourced or not. In my implementation only the architecture is read, then the architecture environment is defined in pkgmk.conf. If the ".arch" file was sourced it would allow environment changes outside of pkgmk.conf. This could have certain advantages in overriding environment variables that break for certain ports without having to modify the Pkgfile. This of course is open to abuse by hiding details from the build script. It comes down to how important is it for the user to be aware that certain ports require changes to MAKEFLAGS, CFLAGS, etc?
2.1 "Arch maintainer vs. maintainer confusion" - treach mentions that it will be potentially confusing to users to have both a "maintainer: " and "arch maintainer: " line in Pkgfiles; we should discuss this further, I think it's an valid concern Action point: further discussion needed
Perhaps rather than having an Arch Maintainer, the port only has Maintainer. Then change the format of the ".arch" file to allow meta data and define the "Master Maintainer" in there. This would fit well with the idea that dot files are of no interest to end users. All they need to know is who to complain to if a port needs improvement, not who the lead maintainer is.
Finally, we consider moving the starting time to 20:00 CEST, for three reasons: - 18:00 is pretty early - 18:00-23:00 is just too long to keep it efficient - the attendees of the two meetings we had so far could typically attend after 20:00
It's still a stretch for me, 20:00 CEST == 04:00 EST. I'll generally try to make it by about 22:00 CEST, but I can't promise anything.
Please comment :-). Cheers, Johannes
-- Lucas Hazel <lucas@die.net.au>