Various stuff I noticed over the last few days: - There's no Maintainer for the Quanta port although it's in contrib. - dkg isn't listed on the About CLC page http://clc.berlios.de/?p=about - I wouldn't call the status column "Retired" in About CLC because that sets a positive "yes" behind every name that's *no longer* part of CLC. I'd rather call it status and set "active" or "retired", or even delete that column or create a separate table with retired maintainers. - atk is a problem for every GNOME user since it has to be in a newer version without there being an official port for that version. I hope pli and rrm3 can find a solution for the next CRUX version, latest. - the hotkeys port doesn't compile, the gnomeicu port doesn't work. Please remove them from unmaintained. - unmaintained is a problem in itself. There are outdated and non-working ports, and nobody is responsible for them. I think it's worse to have such a repository than not having one at all. IMHO with the rise of httpup http://clc.berlios.de/projects/httpup/ there's no need for such a repository, every contributor can have his own httpup webspace. In order to still have a central directory you could create a httpop-rep port which always contains all known /etc/ports/*.httpup files. I think most httpup repository maintainers would still allow CLC maintainers to take over their ports for inclusion in contrib, if need arises. With such a decentralized model CRUX would be the first distribution to use P2P for its packaging :-) Markus.
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:20, Markus Ackermann wrote:
Various stuff I noticed over the last few days:
- There's no Maintainer for the Quanta port although it's in contrib.
- dkg isn't listed on the About CLC page http://clc.berlios.de/?p=about
- I wouldn't call the status column "Retired" in About CLC because that sets a positive "yes" behind every name that's *no longer* part of CLC. I'd rather call it status and set "active" or "retired", or even delete that column or create a separate table with retired maintainers.
- atk is a problem for every GNOME user since it has to be in a newer version without there being an official port for that version. I hope pli and rrm3 can find a solution for the next CRUX version, latest.
atk is a problem indeed. Everything in contrib will need a newer atk than the one in opt. IMO, gtk2, glib2, atk, pango and xchat could simply be moved to contrib. Actually, xchat is the only program that I can see in opt that requires the above-mentionned libraries. And xchat definitely isn't a critical program to have after a new installation.
- the hotkeys port doesn't compile, the gnomeicu port doesn't work. Please remove them from unmaintained.
- unmaintained is a problem in itself. There are outdated and non-working ports, and nobody is responsible for them. I think it's worse to have such a repository than not having one at all. IMHO with the rise of httpup http://clc.berlios.de/projects/httpup/ there's no need for such a repository, every contributor can have his own httpup webspace. In order to still have a central directory you could create a httpop-rep port which always contains all known /etc/ports/*.httpup files. I think most httpup repository maintainers would still allow CLC maintainers to take over their ports for inclusion in contrib, if need arises. With such a decentralized model CRUX would be the first distribution to use P2P for its packaging :-) There is definitely a need for a such a package (or any other centralized way that allows users to publicize their httpup repository's address). It's cool to have a httpup repository, but if noone knows about it, it's kind of useless.
Viktor
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Markus Ackermann wrote: [...]
- atk is a problem for every GNOME user since it has to be in a newer version without there being an official port for that version. I hope pli and rrm3 can find a solution for the next CRUX version, latest.
This one has been on my todo list for some time, I finally got around to fix it. atk-1.4.1 is now in opt. I've also updated the other gtk2 related packages (which btw take ages to download on a modem ;) /Per
Markus Ackermann wrote: [...]
IMHO with the rise of httpup http://clc.berlios.de/projects/httpup/ there's no need for such a repository, every contributor can have his own httpup webspace. In order to still have a central directory you could create a httpop-rep port which always contains all known /etc/ports/*.httpup files. I think most httpup repository maintainers would still allow CLC maintainers to take over their ports for inclusion in contrib, if need arises. With such a decentralized model CRUX would be the first distribution to use P2P for its packaging :-)
I agree. Your suggested system would be much cleaner and UNMAINTAINED is a very ugly system. I think people will find that searching for httpup-rep ports is similar to searching for unmaintained ports (do a find in /usr/ports). Also, all the people who have updated ports from UNMAINTAINED should make them available through an httpup-rep. I'm curious about how you think we can implement a *.httpup submission system (or is there already one I don't know about)? And who will maintain the fabled httpup-rep port? I really like the idea of getting rid of UNMAINTAINED. :-) //Rob
Hi Markus, On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:20:15 +0200, Markus Ackermann wrote:
Various stuff I noticed over the last few days:
- dkg isn't listed on the About CLC page http://clc.berlios.de/?p=about True. It's been three days since his account was created, and as I'm doing other stuff than CLC web page updates I don't consider this a bad delay. Obviously I'm going to add him ASAP.
- I wouldn't call the status column "Retired" in About CLC because that sets a positive "yes" behind every name that's *no longer* part of CLC. I'd rather call it status and set "active" or "retired", or even delete that column or create a separate table with retired maintainers. Ok, that's a good idea.
- the hotkeys port doesn't compile, the gnomeicu port doesn't work. Please remove them from unmaintained.
- unmaintained is a problem in itself. There are outdated and non-working ports, and nobody is responsible for them. I think it's worse to have such a repository than not having one at all. Dropping unmaintained is fine with me. It should be kept around for port developers, but not necessarily within the CLC project.
I'm pretty anxious if there will be lots of httpup repos replacing unmaintained, but that's ok :-)
IMHO with the rise of httpup http://clc.berlios.de/projects/httpup/ there's no need for such a repository, every contributor can have his own httpup webspace. In order to still have a central directory you could create a httpop-rep port which always contains all known /etc/ports/*.httpup files. I think most httpup repository maintainers would still allow CLC maintainers to take over their ports for inclusion in contrib, if need arises. I think so too. And hopefully we could just ask httpup repo maintainers to join our team with a few ports from of their personal repositories. This would actually also help us to accept new CLC maintainers, as we could just require every candidate to maintain an httpup repo for a while first.
Should there be rules for a repository to become part of the httpup-rep port? I'm mostly concerned about duplicates here, in order to make it play nice with prt-get. Regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Biel, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net
IMHO with the rise of httpup http://clc.berlios.de/projects/httpup/ there's no need for such a repository, every contributor can have his own httpup webspace. In order to still have a central directory you could create a httpop-rep port which always contains all known /etc/ports/*.httpup files. I think most httpup repository maintainers would still allow CLC maintainers to take over their ports for inclusion in contrib, if need arises.
One thing I didn't see mentioned on the list is that one can, if one is so inclined, simply not download unmaintained. All it takes is the removal of a line from the clc.cvsup file. Matt
Matt Housh said|sagte:
One thing I didn't see mentioned on the list is that one can, if one is so inclined, simply not download unmaintained. All it takes is the removal of a line from the clc.cvsup file.
I actually did think of that too, but then you miss a great many ports. With the proposed solution of contributor-managed httpup (or cvsupd or whatever) repositories you'd still have most of them *but* with the added value that they're always up to date. Markus. -- Markus Ackermann <maol@symlink.ch> http://maol.ch/ http://symlink.ch/
I actually did think of that too, but then you miss a great many ports. With the proposed solution of contributor-managed httpup (or cvsupd or whatever) repositories you'd still have most of them *but* with the added value that they're always up to date.
Markus.
I'm ok with either way, to be honest. Just wanted to throw that out there in case people hadn't thought of it. :) Matt (jaeger@freenode/#crux)
Various stuff I noticed over the last few days: [...] - dkg isn't listed on the About CLC page http://clc.berlios.de/?p=about
- I wouldn't call the status column "Retired" in About CLC because that sets a positive "yes" behind every name that's *no longer* part of CLC. I'd rather call it status and set "active" or "retired", or even delete that column or create a separate table with retired maintainers. In order to finish my studies I'll be busy with my diploma work until
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:20:15 +0200, Markus Ackermann wrote: the end of the year. Because of this I'd like to hand over the job of maintaining the webpages of clc.berlios.de. There are 9 pages of php and one search database in perl (which has some bugs), so it's a pretty small project. Nothing if it has to be used though, one is free to redesign everything from scratch. If someone would like to do this (or knows someone), please speak up. I'll also step back on IRC and on the ML to help me focus on my few ports, prt-get and httpup. Best regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Biel, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net
Johannes Winkelmann wrote: ...
In order to finish my studies I'll be busy with my diploma work until the end of the year. Because of this I'd like to hand over the job of maintaining the webpages of clc.berlios.de. There are 9 pages of php and one search database in perl (which has some bugs), so it's a pretty small project. Nothing if it has to be used though, one is free to redesign everything from scratch. If someone would like to do this (or knows someone), please speak up.
Good luck on your diploma work. I've really enjoyed your CLC site up until now, and I'm sorry to thank you for it just now, as you're handing it over. Good luck on your diploma work. //Rob
good luck for your diploma, and may the forse be with you. I can mantain or redesign the web pages of clc.berlios.de; I know php but not perl then we need anyone that knows perl to mantain and debug the search engine written in perl. see you soon! * Johannes Winkelmann (jw@tks6.net) ha scritto: | [...] | In order to finish my studies I'll be busy with my diploma work until | the end of the year. Because of this I'd like to hand over the job of | maintaining the webpages of clc.berlios.de. There are 9 pages of php and | one search database in perl (which has some bugs), so it's a pretty | small project. Nothing if it has to be used though, one is free to | redesign everything from scratch. | If someone would like to do this (or knows someone), please speak up. | | I'll also step back on IRC and on the ML to help me focus on my few | ports, prt-get and httpup. | | Best regards, Johannes ------------------------------------ Verità, Beatitudine e Emanazione
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:41:40AM +0200, Giuseppe Coviello <giuseppecoviello@tin.it> wrote: Hi,
good luck for your diploma, and may the forse be with you. I can mantain or redesign the web pages of clc.berlios.de; I know php but not perl then we need anyone that knows perl to mantain and debug the search engine written in perl.
I know both. If you want, I could maintain the website.. Or we can do it together. Cheers and good luck to Joe, Daniel -- Daniel K. Gebhart http://informatik.uibk.ac.at/users/c703263/ Institute for Computer Science University of Innsbruck Fon: (office): +43 512 507 6490 Mail: <daniel.gebhart(at)uibk.ac.at>
* Daniel K. Gebhart (dkg@con-fuse.org) ha scritto: | On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:41:40AM +0200, Giuseppe Coviello <giuseppecoviello@tin.it> wrote: | | Hi, | | > good luck for your diploma, and may the forse be with you. I can mantain | > or redesign the web pages of clc.berlios.de; I know php but not perl | > then we need anyone that knows perl to mantain and debug the search | > engine written in perl. | | I know both. If you want, I could maintain the website.. Or we can do it | together. together? for me is great this! see you soon | | Cheers and good luck to Joe, | Daniel ------------------------------------ Verità, Beatitudine e Emanazione
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:29:46PM +0200, [ slash ] <giuseppecoviello@tin.it> wrote: Hi,
| I know both. If you want, I could maintain the website.. Or we can do it | together. together? for me is great this!
In fact of: 12:53 #crux: < [slash]{cruX}> con-fuse, fuck you! You could do it by yourselfe or I do it alone. Ciao, Daniel -- Daniel K. Gebhart http://informatik.uibk.ac.at/users/c703263/ Institute for Computer Science University of Innsbruck Fon: (office): +43 512 507 6490 Mail: <daniel.gebhart(at)uibk.ac.at>
ok, if clc-devel agree this, i do it (mantain clc.berlios.de) alone or with anyone that isn't you! * Daniel K. Gebhart (dkg@con-fuse.org) ha scritto: | On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:29:46PM +0200, [ slash ] <giuseppecoviello@tin.it> wrote: | | Hi, | | > | I know both. If you want, I could maintain the website.. Or we can do it | > | together. | > together? for me is great this! | | In fact of: | 12:53 #crux: < [slash]{cruX}> con-fuse, fuck you! | | You could do it by yourselfe or I do it alone. | | Ciao, | Daniel | -- | Daniel K. Gebhart http://informatik.uibk.ac.at/users/c703263/ | Institute for Computer Science University of Innsbruck | Fon: (office): +43 512 507 6490 Mail: <daniel.gebhart(at)uibk.ac.at> | _______________________________________________ | clc-devel mailing list | clc-devel@lists.berlios.de | http://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/clc-devel ------------------------------------ Verità, Beatitudine e Emanazione
Hello Daniel, hello Giuseppe, I've read your last mails + irc log (www.maol.ch/irc) and I'm shocked. This is definitely not the way how we solve problems among each other. As you BOTH should know: CLC is a team. That means that we are doing teamwork. If someone has a problem with someone else we should speak about. But please, in a nicer diction. This mail is the first (and the last) warning. There is an unwritten CLC-Maintainer rule which means 'You have to respect ..' It's unwritten because we assume that everybody knows. I hope my comments are clearly. Regards, Daniel Mueller Member of the CLC team -- Daniel Mueller mailto:danm@gmx.li Berlin, Germany (OpenPGP: 1024D/F7E7C01F)
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Markus Ackermann wrote: [...]
- unmaintained is a problem in itself. There are outdated and non-working ports, and nobody is responsible for them. I think it's worse to have such a repository than not having one at all. IMHO with the rise of httpup http://clc.berlios.de/projects/httpup/ there's no need for such a repository, every contributor can have his own httpup webspace. In order to still have a central directory you could create a httpop-rep port which always contains all known /etc/ports/*.httpup files. I think most httpup repository maintainers would still allow CLC maintainers to take over their ports for inclusion in contrib, if need arises.
I agree with Paul Bonser's opinion in all points: It is always cool to have a unmaintained repository, in which you can search. My way to find a port is still "prt-get info". And IMHO it is easier to fix an outdated port than to write a new one completely from scratch. The httpup repository is a good idea, but there could arise problems with duplicates.
With such a decentralized model CRUX would be the first distribution to use P2P for its packaging :-)
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Bye Martin
Martin Opel said|sagte:
I agree with Paul Bonser's opinion in all points: It is always cool to have a unmaintained repository, in which you can search. My way to find a
Did you guys with the "search" argument read my proposition at all? You'd still have all your ports, they'd simple be in other subdirectories of /usr/ports instead of in /usr/ports/unmaintained.
port is still "prt-get info". And IMHO it is easier to fix an outdated port than to write a new one completely from scratch.
That's true. But currently every CRUX user has to do that for every outdated application in unmaintained, instead of the httpup repo maintainer doing it once. If I'm not mistaken you explicitly have in your CLC charta that you do not upgrade ports in unmaintained, that's why I didn't even bother sending you updates.
The httpup repository is a good idea, but there could arise problems with duplicates.
Of course. But I'd rather have two mozilla ports (oh wait, we already do have them, in opt and contrib!) than having five outdated ports. Even though I originally was an advocate of the unmaintained repository I came to the conclusion that it does more harm than it helps, exactly because you (the CLC guys) are not willing to maintain it at all, not even accepting updates etc. This way old ports keep being around in CRUX even though some contributors would send an updated version from time to time. Since I know that you guys don't have the time to manage the unmaintained ports I suggested you leave the management to the original contributors. Or finally start to implement a ports upload feature for the unmaintained section - since you don't guarantee anything anyway this can't do any harm. Markus. -- Markus Ackermann <maol@symlink.ch> http://maol.ch/ http://symlink.ch/
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