Hi all, Sorry for the "retro" problem. I'm using Crux 2.1 (still) and I am seeing that I will have to upgrade in the future so I have decided to see how udev (might) works. I used Matt Housch's " udev from the start" from the wiki page as a guide. After boot everything appears OK.. I do get a boot message "loading sysfs ..already loaded or busy" ?? unsure how important that is... but the current handbook says sysfs needs to be in the fstab... It seems to me that apparently the snd/sound devices aren't being loaded/populated at all. I have an old kernel with devfs to compare with, so it's definitely the udev! Under devfs kernel the directories are populated quite differently as the relatively bare /dev/snd /dev/sound directories are with the udev kernel. So what am I missing? How can I trouble-shoot this...?? Oh.. my sound card isn't being recognized in either kernel boot dmesg.... but I load it as a module in modprobe.conf. Has been ok until now... Any input/help would be greatly appreciated.....