Hi, Just want to give a nod to Ryan King and his "two sense". Whether something needs changing in the handbook is probably still debatable. Just it should be done respectfully and with care, without fanfare etc. When I started back around V1.2 I found two cool links that helped immensely and isn't this the idea of the wiki ;to take collected input and through the least common denominator theory end up with something that is worthwhile. I think CRUX is unique in that it is this bare-bones distro the "make anything YOU want of it" and it's simplicity, the KISS philosophy, that needs to be accented as its inherent appeal. Its the kit car or the halicrafters build-your-own radio set... I don't want to put off potential drifters. There are dissatisfied people out there. I was one of them. I didn't let the "experienced users only" put "me" off... I was/am still very in-experienced. I'm still learning! Don't close the door! At 03:00 PM 5/8/2007, Ryan King wrote:

I would like to add my two sense as well. I have used linux for a breif period, ~2 years, and have gone from redhat to ubuntu to debian and slackware and arch. I know a fair amount, and how to update all the scripts for my hardware, load/restrict modules, compile kernels etc. I agree that much of this is lost on the bigger dist. that aim for out of the box user experience. My personal decision to give crux a try was to dig deeper, learn to understand the underbelly and interconnections of everything, and the way it all really works. To dive in and sink or swim by being forced to learn, expand my knowledge.

I will agree that reposts, and stupid questions that come from inexperienced users who aren't willing to google search, read previous threads from boards etc is annoying.....But, any statement that should be added should be done with care. Anything sounding crass, rude, or eliteous is self defeating and can backfire (as some distros have learned, and been labeled negativily for it).

I would rather a simple statement saying be added saying:

"Crux does not automatically configure any scripts for the user, partioning, X11, udev, networking, modules, kernel etc. are left for the user to properly configure. Maybe some reference to how this fits into the KISS atitude and goal. The Crux community would encourage users with difficulty to search the web, read the documentation and man pages, and search forums before posting new questions or visiting the irc channels."

short to the point and said in such a manner, such that people like me, who came to an independant distro to learn and continue having fun are not put off. In addition, a simple stick post, or a page/link simply explaining where to find the applicable scripts the new user may face, their layout and common problems, in an easily found place can solve many repeat threads and questions.

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On 5/8/07, treach < <mailto:treachster@gmail.com>treachster@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 May 2007 12:00, Joe Gilmour wrote:

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Seconded, even though you could argue that this is implicated with being an "an experienced" user. However, apparently being "experienced" does no longer mean what it used to. People seem come from some

On 5/8/07, Jesse Kokkarinen <<mailto:jesse.kokkarinen@kapsi.fi>jesse.kokkarinen@kapsi.fi> wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 07:16:48AM -0400, arnuld wrote: pointy-clicky dists

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nowadays, rather than Slack/Debian/(insert other random "hardcore" dist) as it used to be.

Then it should be specified because all linux distributions have their own quirks. At the moment it is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

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CRUX is simply not for Fedora/UBUNTU/Debian users.

I disagree. The distribution one starts using Linux has very little to do with learning ability. Some people are lazy and probably scared of different ways of accomplishing tasks. The beauty of Linux distributions is the variety of ways to accomplish any given task. The larger distributions are all about automation, while others allow much more user decision making to customize a system to their own needs.

At the end of the day it is up to the user to undertake the effort to learn and understand how a Linux system works. _______________________________________________ CRUX mailing list <mailto:CRUX@lists.crux.nu>CRUX@lists.crux.nu http://lists.crux.nu/mailman/listinfo/crux

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