Hi, i've question. At the moment I am building a GUI Installer for CRUX and I want to ask if there a some Interessts on it. Its based on GTKFB ( GTK - DirectFB - Backend) so that it won't take many space on a CD (10~MB its not finished today). I think to use CRUX is a very simpel thing, but the Installation is to difficult for some people who are not so confirm in Linux. Hannes -- Hannes Mayer ecarux Computer-Service Cuxhavener Straße 266 21149 Hamburg Tel.: 040 / 98235882 mail: kontakt@ecarux.de Homepage: ecarux.de Steuernummer: 06/276/18018
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:57:49 +0100 Hannes Mayer <kontakt@ecarux.de> wrote:
Hi, i've question.
Hi Hannes,
At the moment I am building a GUI Installer for CRUX and I want to ask if there a some Interessts on it. Its based on GTKFB ( GTK - DirectFB - Backend) so that it won't take many space on a CD (10~MB its not finished today). I think to use CRUX is a very simpel thing, but the Installation is to difficult for some people who are not so confirm in Linux.
From my point of view the only necesary to install CRUX is the handbook. In the explanation of CRUX at crux.nu you can find a interesting tip: CRUX is oriented to experienced users. That's only a opinion, nothing more.
Hannes
Regards. pitillo. Learning bit by bit.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:57:49 +0100
Hannes Mayer <kontakt@ecarux.de> wrote:
Hi, i've question.
Hi Hannes,
At the moment I am building a GUI Installer for CRUX and I want to ask if there a some Interessts on it. Its based on GTKFB ( GTK - DirectFB - Backend) so that it won't take many space on a CD (10~MB its not finished today). I think to use CRUX is a very simpel thing, but the Installation is to difficult for some people who are not so confirm in Linux.
From my point of view the only necesary to install CRUX is the handbook. In the explanation of CRUX at crux.nu you can find a interesting tip: CRUX is oriented to experienced users. That's only a opinion, nothing more.
Hannes
Regards.
pitillo. Learning bit by bit. Ok, you are right, but i think that CRUX itself and the package-management is very easy, only the the installation is a little bit difficult. I never have any Problems with the installation, but there are also some
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 19:27 schrieb pitillo: people who only want to use CRUX only fot there VDR or something like that. I don't want to replace the Installation, but give the alternative GUI for Installation. Hannes -- Hannes Mayer ecarux Computer-Service Cuxhavener Straße 266 21149 Hamburg Tel.: 040 / 98235882 mail: kontakt@ecarux.de Homepage: ecarux.de Steuernummer: 06/276/18018
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Tim Biermann napisał(a):
Hi, if you ask me, its a nice thing to have. Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso (if its ready by then).
So maybe a compromise - a GUI that displays the nicely-formated handbook in one window and gives a nice shell in second :> Just kiddin'. I think GUI could be very nice thing to have. Keep working - and supply us with some screenshots / demo / code. Greetings, -me. -- --==--==---------------------- Witold Bołt :: ja@houp.info gsm#660316053 :: www.houp.info
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 20:58 schrieb Witold Bołt:
Tim Biermann napisał(a):
Hi, if you ask me, its a nice thing to have. Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso (if its ready by then).
So maybe a compromise - a GUI that displays the nicely-formated handbook in one window and gives a nice shell in second :>
Ok, I think thats no problem. Only two Windows over the fb and it works
Just kiddin'. I think GUI could be very nice thing to have. Keep working - and supply us with some screenshots / demo / code.
I am allready working on it....
Greetings, -me.
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 20:58 schrieb Witold Bołt:
Tim Biermann napisał(a):
Hi, if you ask me, its a nice thing to have. Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso (if its ready by then).
So maybe a compromise - a GUI that displays the nicely-formated handbook in one window and gives a nice shell in second :>
http://ecarux.de/files/misc/crux-gui-installer.png works too ;) Greetings Hannes
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:29:19 +0100 Hannes Mayer <kontakt@ecarux.de> wrote:
http://ecarux.de/files/misc/crux-gui-installer.png
works too ;)
Greetings Hannes
This looks pretty cool. Tim
Tim Biermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:29:19 +0100 Hannes Mayer <kontakt@ecarux.de> wrote:
http://ecarux.de/files/misc/crux-gui-installer.png
works too ;)
Greetings Hannes
This looks pretty cool. Tim
Yea, that's actually very nice! Good job. -- Jay Dolan jdolan.dyndns.org A: Because it's difficult to read. Q: Why is top-posting bad? A: Top posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing about email?
On 11:29 Thu 18 Jan , Hannes Mayer wrote:
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 20:58 schrieb Witold Bo??t:
Tim Biermann napisa??(a):
Hi, if you ask me, its a nice thing to have. Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso (if its ready by then).
So maybe a compromise - a GUI that displays the nicely-formated handbook in one window and gives a nice shell in second :>
http://ecarux.de/files/misc/crux-gui-installer.png
works too ;)
Nice work, but i still think it's useless. Regards
Greetings Hannes
Hannes Mayer napisał(a):
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 20:58 schrieb Witold Bołt:
Tim Biermann napisał(a):
Hi, if you ask me, its a nice thing to have. Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso (if its ready by then). So maybe a compromise - a GUI that displays the nicely-formated handbook in one window and gives a nice shell in second :>
http://ecarux.de/files/misc/crux-gui-installer.png
works too ;)
Is it possible to have more then one terminal window? Greetings, -me. -- --==--==---------------------- Witold Bołt :: ja@houp.info gsm#660316053 :: www.houp.info
Am Donnerstag 18 Januar 2007 19:55 schrieb Witold Bołt:
Hannes Mayer napisał(a):
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 20:58 schrieb Witold Bołt:
Tim Biermann napisał(a):
Hi, if you ask me, its a nice thing to have. Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso (if its ready by then).
So maybe a compromise - a GUI that displays the nicely-formated handbook in one window and gives a nice shell in second :>
http://ecarux.de/files/misc/crux-gui-installer.png
works too ;)
Is it possible to have more then one terminal window?
Yes, of course, that s no problem. Hannes
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:47:53 +0100 Tim Biermann <tim_biermann@web.de> wrote: ---- SNIP ----
if you ask me, its a nice thing to have. Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso (if
---- SNIP ---- Not to sound elitistic or to rain on your parade, but generally speaking people who refuse to read the handbook probably are the same kind of people who are genuinly ill-suited to use CRUX in the first place. My feeling is that the install procedure as is serves as a pretty good filter for weeding out those who will get little more than trouble for their efforts in the long run. (Like, "OMG the package FAILED, OMG Teh sky is FALLING!!oneone CRUX is BROKEN! ...when all that happended was that they got a file extra compared to the footprint.) Better make 'em fail already at the installation if possible than giving them the illusion of something that isn't true by making the installation overly easy. my 2c, take 'em or leve 'em. ;) //treach
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:47:53 +0100 Tim Biermann <tim_biermann@web.de> wrote:
Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso
Great! Just what we need. A way to introduce CRUX to users who don't read the documentation. There are already distros with GUI installers aimed at these people. -- Lucas Hazel <lucas@die.net.au> ================================================= "Clothes make the man. Naked men are rarely taken seriously, or given employment." (Mark Twain) =================================================
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 21:16 schrieb Lucas Hazel:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:47:53 +0100
Tim Biermann <tim_biermann@web.de> wrote:
Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso
Great! Just what we need. A way to introduce CRUX to users who don't read the documentation. There are already distros with GUI installers aimed at these people. Is a GUI a bad thing? There is also a GUI when you call "setup" at the Installation. Its ncurses based but where is the difference to a GTK Frontend?
El Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2007 4:47 PM, Hannes Mayer escribió:
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 21:16 schrieb Lucas Hazel:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:47:53 +0100
Tim Biermann <tim_biermann@web.de> wrote:
Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso
Great! Just what we need. A way to introduce CRUX to users who don't read the documentation. There are already distros with GUI installers aimed at these people.
Is a GUI a bad thing? There is also a GUI when you call "setup" at the Installation. Its ncurses based but where is the difference to a GTK Frontend?
Exactly, there is already a simple setup script, which lets you select the packages to install and nothing else. The rest of the process is done by hand, using vi and basic tools. This is the point of Crux, and our philosophy: to keep it simple. Nobody can keep you from writing a setup program, but I just don't see a place for it in the Crux image. If you want to contribute to make the Crux distribution better, there are plenty of other things you can do. Kind regards, Alan
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 23:11 schrieb Alan Mizrahi:
El Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2007 4:47 PM, Hannes Mayer escribió:
Am Montag 15 Januar 2007 21:16 schrieb Lucas Hazel:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:47:53 +0100
Tim Biermann <tim_biermann@web.de> wrote:
Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso
Great! Just what we need. A way to introduce CRUX to users who don't read the documentation. There are already distros with GUI installers aimed at these people.
Is a GUI a bad thing? There is also a GUI when you call "setup" at the Installation. Its ncurses based but where is the difference to a GTK Frontend?
Exactly, there is already a simple setup script, which lets you select the packages to install and nothing else. The rest of the process is done by hand, using vi and basic tools. This is the point of Crux, and our philosophy: to keep it simple.
Nobody can keep you from writing a setup program, but I just don't see a place for it in the Crux image.
If you want to contribute to make the Crux distribution better, there are plenty of other things you can do.
Kind regards,
Alan No, it wasn't my aim to build a fork or something like that of CRUX. I have only questioned if there are Interessts in an GUI Installer. When there are no interessts; and i thing so; i will stop this Projekt now. I am not sad, when i dont spend my time on it. I ve just played with directfb and the gtk backend and thing, that it will be very easy to build an Installer, an maybe one for CRUX, with it. But its ok, its no need, it was only a question.
Hannes
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 12:59:25AM +0100, Hannes Mayer wrote:
Nobody can keep you from writing a setup program, but I just don't see a place for it in the Crux image.
No, it wasn't my aim to build a fork or something like that of CRUX. I have only questioned if there are Interessts in an GUI Installer. When there are no interessts; and i thing so; i will stop this Projekt now. I am not sad, when i dont spend my time on it. I ve just played with directfb and the gtk backend and thing, that it will be very easy to build an Installer, an maybe one for CRUX, with it.
I'm personally interested in a more "driven" setup procedure since I think it can be of some help for novices and more experienced users as well. I started some work back at the time[1] but had to keep up with other priorities. Anyway, I jumped into the discussion to say that if there is a group of people interested in working on such a project, and this leads to something nice, I support the inclusion of the tool as an alternative installation method. I'd greatly prefer a console based (ncurses, slang, replimenu) setup, but it's a bit early to discuss about this, let's see if there's some other people interested. Regards, Simone [1] http://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux-devel/2005-June/000937.html Note: screenshots removed, will re-add them this weekend
On 07:16 Tue 16 Jan , Lucas Hazel wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:47:53 +0100 Tim Biermann <tim_biermann@web.de> wrote:
Having the handbook really the only thing needed, but since some people refuse reading for some unknown reason a GUI would really enrich the CRUX 2.3 install iso
Great! Just what we need. A way to introduce CRUX to users who don't read the documentation. There are already distros with GUI installers aimed at these people.
I think People who don't read the docu can't compile a kernek and configure an CRUX system. So there's absolut no need of an GUI installer. Regards
-- Lucas Hazel <lucas@die.net.au>
=================================================
"Clothes make the man. Naked men are rarely taken seriously, or given employment." (Mark Twain)
=================================================
Hello, I'm not really a fan of installer GUI's, because they hide things from the user. Also bear in mind CRUX's target audience is not people that know nothing about linux. Having a graphical installer will result in a disappointment when they see myhost login: on first boot ;-) Hannes Mayer wrote:
Hi, i've question.
At the moment I am building a GUI Installer for CRUX and I want to ask if there a some Interessts on it. Its based on GTKFB ( GTK - DirectFB - Backend) so that it won't take many space on a CD (10~MB its not finished today). I think to use CRUX is a very simpel thing, but the Installation is to difficult for some people who are not so confirm in Linux.
Hannes
I'd prefer a simple script which performs common tasks during the install so it saves you some typing. Something simple based on http://www.tbmnet.de/tbmnet.php?download=CRUX-2.2_quickinstall # Han -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/crux/
Hi, for a long time i didn't use a Display Manager but now i need one but it always failed to login. KDM tolds me: A critical error occurred. Please look at KDM's logfile(s) for more information or contact your system administrator. In the kdm.log there is nothing spezial: (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jan 24 10:27:01 2007 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwertz)" }; xkb_types { include "complete" }; xkb_compatibility { include "complete" }; xkb_symbols { include "pc/pc(pc105)+pc/de" }; xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)" }; QImage::convertDepth: Image is a null image QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root" FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. Its not only a KDM Problem. GDM failed too. I get simple the message "authentification failed" but this message is displayed after I entered the username but before i can enter the password. The gdm logfiel looks like the kdm file without the QImage lines. A normal login without a Display Manager is no Problem and there is no error Message. Has somebody a good advice for me? Hannes
El Miércoles, 24 de Enero de 2007 5:47 AM, Hannes Mayer escribió:
Hi,
for a long time i didn't use a Display Manager but now i need one but it always failed to login.
KDM tolds me: A critical error occurred. Please look at KDM's logfile(s) for more information or contact your system administrator.
In the kdm.log there is nothing spezial:
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jan 24 10:27:01 2007 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwertz)" }; xkb_types { include "complete" }; xkb_compatibility { include "complete" }; xkb_symbols { include "pc/pc(pc105)+pc/de" }; xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)" }; QImage::convertDepth: Image is a null image QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root" FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
Its not only a KDM Problem. GDM failed too. I get simple the message "authentification failed" but this message is displayed after I entered the username but before i can enter the password.
The gdm logfiel looks like the kdm file without the QImage lines.
A normal login without a Display Manager is no Problem and there is no error Message.
Has somebody a good advice for me?
Are you using pam? You can check by running: ldd /usr/bin/kdm |grep pam I think theres the problem. Maybe you don't have your display manager configured correctly. kdm uses the "kde" pam service, so you have to edit your /etc/pam.conf and use something like this: kde auth required pam_unix.so kde account requisite pam_time.so kde account required pam_unix.so kde session required pam_unix.so If you don't have a "kde" entry, it will use the "other", which probably calls pam_deny.so If you are not using pam, send me a trace of kdm to find out the problem. Regards, -- Alan Mizrahi +58-412-2228889
Am Mittwoch 24 Januar 2007 12:18 schrieb Alan Mizrahi:
El Miércoles, 24 de Enero de 2007 5:47 AM, Hannes Mayer escribió:
Hi,
for a long time i didn't use a Display Manager but now i need one but it always failed to login.
KDM tolds me: A critical error occurred. Please look at KDM's logfile(s) for more information or contact your system administrator.
In the kdm.log there is nothing spezial:
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jan 24 10:27:01 2007 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwertz)" }; xkb_types { include "complete" }; xkb_compatibility { include "complete" }; xkb_symbols { include "pc/pc(pc105)+pc/de" }; xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)" }; QImage::convertDepth: Image is a null image QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root" FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
Its not only a KDM Problem. GDM failed too. I get simple the message "authentification failed" but this message is displayed after I entered the username but before i can enter the password.
The gdm logfiel looks like the kdm file without the QImage lines.
A normal login without a Display Manager is no Problem and there is no error Message.
Has somebody a good advice for me?
Are you using pam? You can check by running: ldd /usr/bin/kdm |grep pam
I think theres the problem. Maybe you don't have your display manager configured correctly. kdm uses the "kde" pam service, so you have to edit your /etc/pam.conf and use something like this:
kde auth required pam_unix.so kde account requisite pam_time.so kde account required pam_unix.so kde session required pam_unix.so
If you don't have a "kde" entry, it will use the "other", which probably calls pam_deny.so
If you are not using pam, send me a trace of kdm to find out the problem.
Regards,
Hm, ok My /etc/pam.conf was a little different but with this options kdm - pam doesn't work too. I ve tried some different settings but login with a display manager still failed. Without pam it works. I think i don't need pam so it is ok. Thankyou for the good advice. Hannes
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Tim Biermann -
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