New user / thank you / XFCE
Hello, I'm a new CRUX user, and first, i would like to thank you for making this distribution. I used Slackware, Gentoo and Arch in the past, but was disappointed by the direction chosen by Arch, and the current over-complexification of most Linux distributions. So it's pleasure to find (again) a simple but modern distribution. I didn't even know Arch was CRUX-based... I've encountered no issues while using CRUX on the server side, but on the desktop side, i tried to use XFCE 4.10 from ports (http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=xfce, depinst), and while it works, it doesn't look that good. For instance a lot of icons are missing. Here's what i have :http://imgur.com/zsHEEgX And what i would like : http://imgur.com/ulhWqar Can someone point me to the missing package ? Do you know how to make XFCE looks like the second screenshot (dark panel on top and transparent panel on bottom) ? Thank you, Best regards.
Hi! Welcome to CRUX where you can pretty much roll your own! RE missing icons I believe there are several or more *icon* ports/packages lying around inv arious ports repos. Check the CRUX portdb and the contrib repo. Please also note that whilst we maintain ports for a lot of things many of which are used by us (core developers, maintainers and just regular users) we often don't care too much about the overall aesthetics more just making the software work :) I used to use XFCE myself for a number of years and since my new desktop I've decided on Compiz + parts of LXDE for something new. So far so good! Good luck! cheers James James Mills / prologic E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:44 AM, <jideel@free.fr> wrote:
Hello,
I'm a new CRUX user, and first, i would like to thank you for making this distribution. I used Slackware, Gentoo and Arch in the past, but was disappointed by the direction chosen by Arch, and the current over-complexification of most Linux distributions. So it's pleasure to find (again) a simple but modern distribution. I didn't even know Arch was CRUX-based... I've encountered no issues while using CRUX on the server side, but on the desktop side, i tried to use XFCE 4.10 from ports ( http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=xfce, depinst), and while it works, it doesn't look that good. For instance a lot of icons are missing. Here's what i have :http://imgur.com/zsHEEgX And what i would like : http://imgur.com/ulhWqar Can someone point me to the missing package ? Do you know how to make XFCE looks like the second screenshot (dark panel on top and transparent panel on bottom) ? Thank you, Best regards. _______________________________________________ CRUX mailing list CRUX@lists.crux.nu http://lists.crux.nu/mailman/listinfo/crux
On 5/20/2014 17:44, jideel@free.fr wrote: [...] Welcome! Glad you like it. Regarding XFCE as James said an external icon theme is needed. It seems like XFCE doesn't ship a default one with 4.10 (or even 4.8 if I remember correctly.) Something like 'tango-icon-theme' or 'gnome-icon-theme' or similar from the portdb (http://crux.nu/portdb/) should suffice. As for the darker look, I'm guessing that's just a dark theme. No idea which one, unfortunately, but perhaps you could find it at http://xfce-look.org/ . Cheers, Matt
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:44:03 +0200 (CEST) jideel@free.fr wrote:
Can someone point me to the missing package ? Do you know how to make XFCE looks like the second screenshot (dark panel on top and transparent panel on bottom) ?
Xfce-dusk style for dark panel, and you can make them transparent in Panel Preferences, where you can set them to any color you want, if you don't want to use system wide style. HTH Pedja
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:44:03AM +0200, jideel@free.fr wrote:
Hello,
I'm a new CRUX user, and first, i would like to thank you for making this distribution. I used Slackware, Gentoo and Arch in the past, but was disappointed by the direction chosen by Arch, and the current over-complexification of most Linux distributions. So it's pleasure to find (again) a simple but modern distribution. I didn't even know Arch was CRUX-based... I've encountered no issues while using CRUX on the server side, but on the desktop side, i tried to use XFCE 4.10 from ports (http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=xfce, depinst), and while it works, it doesn't look that good. For instance a lot of icons are missing. Here's what i have :http://imgur.com/zsHEEgX And what i would like : http://imgur.com/ulhWqar Can someone point me to the missing package ? Do you know how to make XFCE looks like the second screenshot (dark panel on top and transparent panel on bottom) ? Thank you, Best regards.
I don't have too much authority here since I'm not a Crux developer-maintainer but, anyway, I'll say what I think for the sake of all. Sorry if I sound rude, it's not my intention to offend. You criticize the bloating and at the same time you want a fully featured desktop environment, and working out of the box. All has a price my friend. Years ago I've wrote this: http://roquesor.com/linux-7.php I was defending that idea along the years and today I'm more convinced than ever that I was right. For example, big Linux distributions have bloated sysv-init to give users an out of the box experience with MSWin alike desktops. Just to win market. Now to clean the mess they invented systemd. The result of that strategy? MSWin users still have MSWin plus a fake MSWin called Linux, while those that know and value a Unix like OS have nothing. So, don't do what Slackware users, that pretend to defend the Unix philosophy just with their mouthes. To avoid the bloating we need to preserve the Unix idea educating new users. Entertaining them with toy desktops like Xfce, KDE or Gnome is not the way. Friendly interfaces keep users ignorant. For example, just reading your message I see you ignore how to use a text editor and the correct way to send an email. I use FVWM, that is not included in Crux, but it's not a problem for me since downloading it form FVWM site and compiling it take less than a minute. Got the idea? Walter
Well, first, thanks to all the users' proposed solutions. I'll have a look at the theme's repositories. Now, just a bit of clarification :)
You criticize the bloating and at the same time you want a fully featured desktop environment, and working out of the box. All has a price my friend.
Didn't said such a thing about a fully featured desktop. I was just looking for the icons :)
For example, just reading your message I see you ignore how to use a text editor and the correct way to send an email.
You shouldn't be so sure of yourself. It may help you in your life.
I use FVWM, that is not included in Crux, but it's not a problem for me since downloading it form FVWM site and compiling it take less than a minute. Got the idea?
Don't worry for me, I was compiling kernels at a time when most people didn't even knew Internet existed (and maybe you weren't even born. Do you remember what an Alpha or a Sparc were ?), so yeah, i got the idea... As i'm getting older, i'm probably getting lazier too :) When you endorse a distribution, the right way is to try to capture and follow the philosophy behind it. That's why i first tried CRUX ports and not the good old way (compile world myself). I now you said you didn't wanted to be rude, but in fact, you were. Your approach is not the right one to welcome a new user, especially when you don't know anything about him. I'm used to this kind of behavior from more and more people in the *nix communities, especially the younger ones, so it doesn't matter for me, but imagine if i was a poor another_os user looking for some alternative... Linux deserves better. Regards, Jideel _______________________________________________ CRUX mailing list CRUX@lists.crux.nu http://lists.crux.nu/mailman/listinfo/crux
Hi :) Firstly let me apologize for Walter. His tone was a little negative to say the least. (I try to make an effort myself to maintain a peaceful and civilized community for us CRUXers) (I think we all do!) Secondly let me endorse the CRUX philosophy a bit for you! CRUX above all else (for me) is about simplicty and ease of use. (NB: THe original Latin meaning of the words). That means: CRUX ships with minimal dependencies with a small core. CRUX uses the simpllest of tools wherever possible building upon other simpler tools. CRUX uses the file system to store configuration and logs (well thankfully most software still does!) CRUX doesn't hold your hand and neither comes with any graphical tools or installers (the best we have is 'setup' that we ship with the ISO that just does some package selection) CRUX expects you the user to compile your own kernels and mostly maintain your own software stack (CRUX also provides tools to help manage this) CRUX is more of an ideaology/philosophy than anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again: CRUX == pkgutils + rc + ports (optional) + prt-get (optional) There isn't much more to it than this. In any case others have said the right thing here in terms of your original problem that you set out to solve :) There are *icon* ports of various kinds lying about the place which you should investigate and try to use if you want to "pretty up your desktop" a bit :) We hope you stick around! We CRUXers love new users and we love our CRUX :) cheers James James Mills / prologic E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:46 PM, <jideel@free.fr> wrote:
Well, first, thanks to all the users' proposed solutions. I'll have a look at the theme's repositories. Now, just a bit of clarification :)
You criticize the bloating and at the same time you want a fully featured desktop environment, and working out of the box. All has a price my friend.
Didn't said such a thing about a fully featured desktop. I was just looking for the icons :)
For example, just reading your message I see you ignore how to use a text editor and the correct way to send an email.
You shouldn't be so sure of yourself. It may help you in your life.
I use FVWM, that is not included in Crux, but it's not a problem for me since downloading it form FVWM site and compiling it take less than a minute. Got the idea?
Don't worry for me, I was compiling kernels at a time when most people didn't even knew Internet existed (and maybe you weren't even born. Do you remember what an Alpha or a Sparc were ?), so yeah, i got the idea...
As i'm getting older, i'm probably getting lazier too :) When you endorse a distribution, the right way is to try to capture and follow the philosophy behind it. That's why i first tried CRUX ports and not the good old way (compile world myself).
I now you said you didn't wanted to be rude, but in fact, you were. Your approach is not the right one to welcome a new user, especially when you don't know anything about him. I'm used to this kind of behavior from more and more people in the *nix communities, especially the younger ones, so it doesn't matter for me, but imagine if i was a poor another_os user looking for some alternative... Linux deserves better.
Regards, Jideel
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 08:59:43PM +1000, James Mills wrote:
Hi :)
Firstly let me apologize for Walter. His tone was a little negative to say the least. (I try to make an effort myself to maintain a peaceful and civilized community for us CRUXers) (I think we all do!)
No, no, no. You're offending me, sir! Just keeding. I could take your top-posting, James, by another example of what friendly interfaces do with people. That may offend you like happened with Jideel and you may try to explain me all your curriculum and that top-posting is your "personal preference", etc, etc. But this is a mailing list, it's not about someone in particular, those bad practices are just examples. I'm not being rude with someone in particular. And my rudeness is not an action but a reaction to the whole scenario I described. Following with the email formating example, the true is that bad practices are not someone personal preferences, they were imposed by ignorant, mobster, rude programmers (Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail) and adopted by lazy users. Translate this example to all software development and computer use along the last decades. The whole scenario is rude, destructive, disrespectful, arrogant and, what is worse, innocent. That people egocentric innocence is what makes them think the rude it's me just for criticizing it. Someone really wise (who learned from experience) should understand that my reaction is justified. I am not negative, I am realistic. I am sure of what I see. And no, that doesn't help in life :). By the way, Xfce is a fully featured desktop environment. That's negative. Walter
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 03:14:05PM +0200, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 08:59:43PM +1000, James Mills wrote:
Hi :)
Firstly let me apologize for Walter. His tone was a little negative to say the least. (I try to make an effort myself to maintain a peaceful and civilized community for us CRUXers) (I think we all do!)
No, no, no. You're offending me, sir! Just keeding.
I could take your top-posting, James, by another example of what friendly interfaces do with people. That may offend you like happened with Jideel and you may try to explain me all your curriculum and that top-posting is your "personal preference", etc, etc. But this is a mailing list, it's not about someone in particular, those bad practices are just examples. I'm not being rude with someone in particular. And my rudeness is not an action but a reaction to the whole scenario I described. Following with the email formating example, the true is that bad practices are not someone personal preferences, they were imposed by ignorant, mobster, rude programmers (Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail) and adopted by lazy users. Translate this example to all software development and computer use along the last decades. The whole scenario is rude, destructive, disrespectful, arrogant and, what is worse, innocent. That people egocentric innocence is what makes them think the rude it's me just for criticizing it. Someone really wise (who learned from experience) should understand that my reaction is justified.
I am not negative, I am realistic. I am sure of what I see. And no, that doesn't help in life :).
By the way, Xfce is a fully featured desktop environment. That's negative.
Walter
Top posting is the correct way to post to a mailinglist, sure. But try to live with this in a corporate environment. It's impossible. So please try to keep a friendly tone on the mailinglist and please try to not jump to judgement. This thread is now totally off topic and quite pointless. Please let it die -- Fredrik Rinnestam
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 03:33:10PM +0200, Fredrik Rinnestam wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 03:14:05PM +0200, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 08:59:43PM +1000, James Mills wrote:
Hi :)
Firstly let me apologize for Walter. His tone was a little negative to say the least. (I try to make an effort myself to maintain a peaceful and civilized community for us CRUXers) (I think we all do!)
No, no, no. You're offending me, sir! Just keeding.
I could take your top-posting, James, by another example of what friendly interfaces do with people. That may offend you like happened with Jideel and you may try to explain me all your curriculum and that top-posting is your "personal preference", etc, etc. But this is a mailing list, it's not about someone in particular, those bad practices are just examples. I'm not being rude with someone in particular. And my rudeness is not an action but a reaction to the whole scenario I described. Following with the email formating example, the true is that bad practices are not someone personal preferences, they were imposed by ignorant, mobster, rude programmers (Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail) and adopted by lazy users. Translate this example to all software development and computer use along the last decades. The whole scenario is rude, destructive, disrespectful, arrogant and, what is worse, innocent. That people egocentric innocence is what makes them think the rude it's me just for criticizing it. Someone really wise (who learned from experience) should understand that my reaction is justified.
I am not negative, I am realistic. I am sure of what I see. And no, that doesn't help in life :).
By the way, Xfce is a fully featured desktop environment. That's negative.
Walter
Top posting is the correct way to post to a mailinglist, sure.
So this obviously the opposite of what I intended to say.. -- Fredrik Rinnestam
I'm just going to say a few things here in retort :) a) I'm actually a visually impaired person. So: b) Top-posting is far easier and convenient for me. (I arely inline post - sometimes but not often anymore) c) I've never used Outlook so was never really influenced by it :) Also: Can we just get along without the long winded rambling and lovely adjectives used to describe others and their actions? I don't particularly find anyone to be lazy, ignorant, innocent or arrogant. I'm just a wee little web developer in the back corners of AU :) Who happens to enjoy CRUX! cheers James James Mills / prologic E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Fredrik Rinnestam <fredrik@rinnestam.se>wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 03:14:05PM +0200, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 08:59:43PM +1000, James Mills wrote:
Hi :)
Firstly let me apologize for Walter. His tone was a little negative to say the least. (I try to make an effort myself to maintain a peaceful and civilized community for us CRUXers) (I think we all do!)
No, no, no. You're offending me, sir! Just keeding.
I could take your top-posting, James, by another example of what friendly interfaces do with people. That may offend you like happened with Jideel and you may try to explain me all your curriculum and that top-posting is your "personal preference", etc, etc. But this is a mailing list, it's not about someone in particular, those bad practices are just examples. I'm not being rude with someone in particular. And my rudeness is not an action but a reaction to the whole scenario I described. Following with the email formating example, the true is that bad practices are not someone personal preferences, they were imposed by ignorant, mobster, rude programmers (Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail) and adopted by lazy users. Translate this example to all software development and computer use along the last decades. The whole scenario is rude, destructive, disrespectful, arrogant and, what is worse, innocent. That people egocentric innocence is what makes them think the rude it's me just for criticizing it. Someone really wise (who learned from experience) should understand that my reaction is justified.
I am not negative, I am realistic. I am sure of what I see. And no, that doesn't help in life :).
By the way, Xfce is a fully featured desktop environment. That's negative.
Walter
Top posting is the correct way to post to a mailinglist, sure. But try to live with this in a corporate environment. It's impossible.
So please try to keep a friendly tone on the mailinglist and please try to not jump to judgement.
This thread is now totally off topic and quite pointless. Please let it die
--
Fredrik Rinnestam _______________________________________________ CRUX mailing list CRUX@lists.crux.nu http://lists.crux.nu/mailman/listinfo/crux
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Walter Alejandro Iglesias < eloi@roquesor.com> wrote:
Ask yourself why that happens and you'll see why it's important for all to defend what I'm trying to defend. Even if someone get offended.
What are you defending again? I thought this thread was about getting some pretty icon themes for XFCE? cheers James James Mills / prologic E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
On 21 May 2014, at 00:44, jideel@free.fr wrote:
Hello,
Hey.
I've encountered no issues while using CRUX on the server side, but on the desktop side, i tried to use XFCE 4.10 from ports (http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=xfce, depinst), and while it works, it doesn't look that good. For instance a lot of icons are missing. Can someone point me to the missing package ?
Did you forget to run the post-install script that comes with librsvg? prt-get does not run pre/post-install scripts by default, so you must run those yourself (or configure prt-get to run them for you). -- Joacim Olsen Tangen joacimot@gmail.com
Sent: Mercredi 21 Mai 2014 16:57:55 from "Joacim Olsen Tangen" <joacimot@gmail.com>
Did you forget to run the post-install script that comes with librsvg? prt-get does not run pre/post-install scripts by default, so you must run those >yourself (or configure prt-get to run them for you).
That did the trick (gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache). Thank you, Joacim.
James, I defend the right of Unicorns to vote freely in a state of peers. Best, Don Cupp On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:40 PM, "jideel@free.fr" <jideel@free.fr> wrote: Sent: Mercredi 21 Mai 2014 16:57:55 from "Joacim Olsen Tangen" <joacimot@gmail.com>
Did you forget to run the post-install script that comes with librsvg? prt-get does not run pre/post-install scripts by default, so you must run those >yourself (or configure prt-get to run them for you).
That did the trick (gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache). Thank you, Joacim. _______________________________________________ CRUX mailing list CRUX@lists.crux.nu http://lists.crux.nu/mailman/listinfo/crux
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:44:03AM +0200, jideel@free.fr wrote:
I used Slackware, Gentoo and Arch in the past, but was disappointed by the direction chosen by Arch, and the current over-complexification of most Linux distributions.
Commands like this: gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache are the kind of commands that has been overpopulating shell scripting on sysv-init on big distributions. With the well known consecuences. For example on Slackware you'll find it in /etc/rc.d/rc.M Walter
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