CRUX on Dell Laptop
Any users with CRUX Installed on a Dell Laptop? I would assume most things (if not all) would work just fine anyway since Ubuntu seems to run just fine :) cheers James James Mills / prologic E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, James Mills wrote:
Any users with CRUX Installed on a Dell Laptop?
I would assume most things (if not all) would work just fine anyway since Ubuntu seems to run just fine :)
cheers James
James Mills / prologic
E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
I use CRUX on a Dell laptop at work. It's about five years old though so don't know if it's relevant. It does have the Core 2 Duo chipset and runs 3.1 64-bit just fine. I could give more info about unit tomorrow. Today is a national holiday so no work for me. -Daryl
On 2014-11-10 20:28, James Mills wrote:
Any users with CRUX Installed on a Dell Laptop?
I would assume most things (if not all) would work just fine anyway since Ubuntu seems to run just fine :)
Not so sure. Before you get frustrated, Crux philosophy is very different from e.g. Ubuntu. Notably it assumes you are knowledgeable enough to tailor the Linux kernel configuration for the hardware. My understanding is that Ububtu-class distributions use a lot of automatic hardware recognition and kernel module loading. As you tailor the kernel, you are also in charge of appropriate userland tools for the various hardware-kernel components. I use Crux as first line of defense against software that I don't control. In my last laptop installation, the camera and sound are still not serviced by the kernel. Camera, I don't want (protect my privacy). Sound, maybe required in a foreseeable future. Have fun if you enter this field. - Thierry Moreau
Hi Thierry, Appreciate your feedback :) But I've been using CRUX for over a decade or so now (I honestly can't remember!) But never on Laptop(s) :) I think I'll be okay :) But all your points are of course completely right! One thing I think we all tend to do (to cheat a bit) is to stick in an Ubunto-based Live CD and do an lsmod -k on the system to get a list of what kernel modules it has loaded up for various bits and pieces of hardware :) I'm going to start my transition tomorrow cheers James James Mills / prologic E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Thierry Moreau < thierry.moreau@connotech.com> wrote:
On 2014-11-10 20:28, James Mills wrote:
Any users with CRUX Installed on a Dell Laptop?
I would assume most things (if not all) would work just fine anyway since Ubuntu seems to run just fine :)
Not so sure.
Before you get frustrated, Crux philosophy is very different from e.g. Ubuntu. Notably it assumes you are knowledgeable enough to tailor the Linux kernel configuration for the hardware.
My understanding is that Ububtu-class distributions use a lot of automatic hardware recognition and kernel module loading.
As you tailor the kernel, you are also in charge of appropriate userland tools for the various hardware-kernel components.
I use Crux as first line of defense against software that I don't control. In my last laptop installation, the camera and sound are still not serviced by the kernel. Camera, I don't want (protect my privacy). Sound, maybe required in a foreseeable future.
Have fun if you enter this field.
- Thierry Moreau
On 13 November 2014 06:13, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
Hi Thierry,
Appreciate your feedback :) But I've been using CRUX for over a decade or so now (I honestly can't remember!) But never on Laptop(s) :)
Based on my experience with Dell laptop, Crux in hands of person as experienced as James might be better than Ubuntu. I hit some problem with TouchPad and to address I had to patch and recompile drivers. The patch is in newer kernel. (BTW. That might be useful link: http://xps13-9333.appspot.com/)
I think I'll be okay :) But all your points are of course completely right!
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One thing I think we all tend to do (to cheat a bit) is to stick in an Ubunto-based Live CD and do an lsmod -k on the system to get a list of what kernel modules it has loaded up for various bits and pieces of hardware :)
You could copy Ubuntu kernel into Crux as a fallback, couldn't you? Out of curiosity, how do you plan to manage network. I used Crux only on desktop and even in case of wireless network I've been using rc.d net script. Cheers, Wawrzek -- Dr Wawrzyniec Niewodniczański or Wawrzek for short PhD in Quantum Chemistry & MSc in Molecular Engineering WWW: http://wawrzek.name E-MAIL: jobs@wawrzek.name Linux User #177124
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski <main@wawrzek.name> wrote:
Based on my experience with Dell laptop, Crux in hands of person as experienced as James might be better than Ubuntu. I hit some problem with TouchPad and to address I had to patch and recompile drivers. The patch is in newer kernel. (BTW. That might be useful link: http://xps13-9333.appspot.com/)
One of the more frustrating things and sadly disappointing things with Canonical's Ubuntu is that they've rather successfully destroyed all usefulness of accessibility that Compiz Fusion's eZoom provides. Here are some examples based on Ubuntu 14.04 on my Dell Laptop (work): Unity + Compiz Fusion (Canonical's version): You cannot zoom in on many parts of the UI including the status bar at the top, dock icons on the left, etc. XFCE4 + Compiz Fusion (Canonical's version): Workspaces don't seem to work (at all). Many settings in XFCE4 don't seem to function. The mouse cursor when zoomed in seems to go a white transparent invisible color. These is just a few issues I've found so far :) Gerat accessibility Ubuntu :)
I think I'll be okay :) But all your points are of course completely right!
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One thing I think we all tend to do (to cheat a bit) is to stick in an Ubunto-based Live CD and do an lsmod -k on the system to get a list of what kernel modules it has loaded up for various bits and pieces of hardware :)
You could copy Ubuntu kernel into Crux as a fallback, couldn't you?
Yes :) Although I suspect just knowing the kernel modules is good enough. i.e: lsmod -k
Out of curiosity, how do you plan to manage network. I used Crux only on desktop and even in case of wireless network I've been using rc.d net script.
I'll likely just use the CLI tool(s). I'm not really a fan of GUI tools/apps :) cheers James
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