From daniel at danm.de  Sat Nov 13 17:48:33 2004
From: daniel at danm.de (Daniel Mueller)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:48:33 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] Email format in Pkgfile
Message-ID: <20041113184833.091c8255@torax.home.danm.de>

Hi guys,

I'm thinking of changing the email address in our Pkgfiles to a more
'web-friendly' format:

Joe User (joe at mail dot net)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
# $Id: Pkgfile,v 1.1 2004/10/11 20:38:08 jaeger Exp $
# Description: A general purpose cryptographic library based on GnuPG
# URL: http://directory.fsf.org/security/libgcrypt.html
# Maintainer: Matt Housh (jaeger at morpheus dot net)
# Depends on: libgpg-error

name=libgcrypt
version=1.2.0
[..]
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I've realized that a simple search query by google prints out our
email addresses :-( 
I prefer spam[1] refrigerated. What do you guys think?

bye, danm

[1] http://www.spam.com/sp.htm
-- 
Daniel Mueller
Berlin, Germany		(OpenPGP:  1024D/E4F4383A)


From sip at varlock.com  Mon Nov 15 08:16:48 2004
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:16:48 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] Email format in Pkgfile
In-Reply-To: <20041113184833.091c8255@torax.home.danm.de>
References: <20041113184833.091c8255@torax.home.danm.de>
Message-ID: <419865F0.60508@varlock.com>

On 13/11/2004 18:48 Daniel Mueller wrote:
> Hi guys,

Hey Daniel,

> I'm thinking of changing the email address in our Pkgfiles to a more
> 'web-friendly' format:
> 
> Joe User (joe at mail dot net)
> 
> I've realized that a simple search query by google prints out our
> email addresses :-( 
> I prefer spam[1] refrigerated. What do you guys think?

Yes. This is definitely a problem for me.
The spam amount I get at my varlock.com address passed
from 'near to zero' to 'way too much' since I've been
using it in Pkgfiles.

I wonder if the format you propose will suffice since
many spiders are now clever enough to detect the most
common anti-spam obfuscation techniques.

Regards,
Simone

-- 
Simone Rota           WEB : http://www.varlock.com
Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From jw at tks6.net  Thu Nov 18 20:54:15 2004
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:54:15 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] Script to find redundant dependencies
Message-ID: <20041118205415.GA24198@hoc>

Hi,

I finally found a moment to finish my script to find redundant
dependencies, that is such which are listed by a direct dependency of a
package, like:

A lists B and C, B lists C

In this case, A doesn't have to list C, so the listing of 'C' is
redundant.

I've done some tests with ports from contrib and it seems to work fine
so far, but I'd still advise you to manually double check whether what
it says is true (e.g. by doing a 'prt-get depends' before and after
removing the packages listed as redundant).

You can find it at
  http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/findredundantdeps

Kind regards, Johannes
P.S.: yeah, the name sucks
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 19 04:19:49 2004
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:19:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [clc-devel] Re: contrib preparation scripts
In-Reply-To: <20041118083306.GA2082@hoc>
Message-ID: <20041119041949.56401.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> 
> I've been pretty busy lately and didn't manage to
> join IRC yesterday. So
> I'll just guess and send you my scripts to prepare a
> big repository of
> ports (PrepRep). I commented out certain lines from
> preprep.conf, since
> I guess they're not all the same right now (jue
> moved his repo), and one
> of them was a local one to simulate clashes between
> ports.
> 
> I guess it might be a good idea to start from
> scratch, and I guess
> python or perl would be the weapon of choice as we
> already discussed at
> CRUXCon. Since bash scripts are usually rather
> verbose and not too clear
> to understand what's going on, here a summary of
> what I'd expect it do
> do:
> 
> 1. sync a list of repositories to an input directory
>   - note if a repo can't be synced
> 2. Create a list of ports 'contribports'
> 2. Find duplicates in 'contribports', and where they
> appear
>   -> send notifications to the crux-contrib mailing
> list
>   -> remove those from 'contribports'
> 3. create a list of ports in base and opt
> ('coreports')
> 4. remove 'coreports' from 'contribports'
>   // 'contribports' contains now a list of ports
> which can be updated in
>   // the main collection
> 5. if a list of 'contribports' which have been
> synced the last time is
>   available, compare the two lists
>   - note which ports are new, and which one have
> gone
> 6. update the ports listed in 'contribports' from
> the input directory to
>    the output directory
>   - create a list of ports that were synced in this
> run (to be used the
>     next time (5.) is called
> 7. Mark the ports which are not maintained anymore
> (from 6.) as
>    '# Maintainer: UNMAINTAINED'
> 9. Create a new httpup REPO file
>    (maybe run portspage from vektori)
> A. Send a report to the contrib-admin or
> crux-contrib, containing:
>    a) new ports
>    b) ports newly unmaintained
>    c) repos that couldn't be synced (from 1.)
> B. Send a notification to maintainers who have
> conflicting ports
> C. Send a notification to maintainers of
> repositories which couldn't be
>    synced (from 1.)
> 
> This is just from the top of my head, so consider
> this just a
> description what I was trying (or wanting) to do.
> Finally, it would be
> great if the script would run hourly, but it would
> really be a PITA if
> people would get notifications hourly; so there
> needs to be some kind of
> management when the people where notified.
> 
> Reading through this, it seems that this is quite an
> interesting task,
> but definitely challenging. Actually I'd really like
> to do some coding
> on this as well, but probably not before mid
> december :-/. Maybe you
> could ask Matt to set up a CVS (or Subversion)
> repository for that.
> 
> Feel free to ask if I don't make any sense!
> 
> So much for now,
> Kind regards, Johannes


I miss you already.

I took my own stab at this (considering that you
forgot to actually attach your scripts ;)), and ended
up settling on bash :/  The more I thought about it,
the more it seemed appropriate.  Tools like find and
fgrep can be used for just about all of the
complicated parts of this task.

So take a look at prtsync in my httpup repository, if
you will.  It works well, is less than 80 lines, and
does almost all of what you mentioned in your last
mail.  I think it would be fine to run just nightly. 
The ugliest part is actually the call to sendmail.

Sweet dreams, I'm spent..


=====
Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000


		
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From Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 19 06:09:14 2004
From: Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca (Nick Steeves)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:09:14 -0700
Subject: [clc-devel] The question of maintainer protocol
Message-ID: <200411182309.14316.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>

Hi,

Recently I've had quite a time trying to figure out how a CLC member should 
submit fixes to another maintainer.  Documentation on CLC's CVS conduct is 
conspicuously missing.  We should write, or reference a document of 
procedural guidelines.  I would appreciate if everyone would comment on 
Ticket #38.


Thanks,
Nick


From jw at tks6.net  Fri Nov 19 07:56:14 2004
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:56:14 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] The question of maintainer protocol
In-Reply-To: <200411182309.14316.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
References: <200411182309.14316.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <20041119075613.GA7455@hoc>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 23:09:14 -0700, Nick Steeves wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Recently I've had quite a time trying to figure out how a CLC member should 
> submit fixes to another maintainer.  Documentation on CLC's CVS conduct is 
> conspicuously missing.  We should write, or reference a document of 
> procedural guidelines.  I would appreciate if everyone would comment on 
> Ticket #38.
I guess we might require some guidelines like this if we decide to allow
many more maintainers. I'm a bit surprised that we need them already
now, since it would only define how two persons talk together,
which doesn't need a big protocol IMHO. Given that we try to recruit
"team players" according to the maintainer guidelines, I don't think
it's too much asked if we require new maintainers to be able to
communicate, especially given that "communicate" is another requirement
on the list (maintainer guidelines).

What might be of use are rules which are centered around ports, not
people, like:
- if a download is broken (as in fam), commit and tag
  REASON: there's no point in keeping a broken port
  ACTION: notify the original poster
  NOTE:   have a look at the port; if you're not confident that it works
          the same as before, try to get the original patch and
          add it to the CVS itself
- if it's a security or otherwise critical fix, send a patch to the
  maintainer with an URL to the report. If the maintainer doesn't
  respond in 2 days, commit and tag
  ACTION: notify the original poster
  NOTE:   if you're uncertain about the fix, contact clc-devel first
- if you have change suggestions, contact the maintainer with a
  description of your changes. If he doesn't respond, resend to
  clc-devel to discuss it there and apply if it seems to make sense.


Would this be enough for now?

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 19 08:50:00 2004
From: Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca (Nick Steeves)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:50:00 -0700
Subject: [clc-devel] The question of maintainer protocol
In-Reply-To: <20041119075613.GA7455@hoc>
References: <200411182309.14316.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
 <20041119075613.GA7455@hoc>
Message-ID: <200411190150.00814.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>

Hi,

Yes, this is exactly what I was looking for.  Thank you for replying.  One 
other case I've been wondering about:  What if updating own port a, which 
depends on someone else's port b, cannot build without an update to b?  
Currently, I fork a httpup version to publish along side updated port a, 
while contrib's a remains old.

Perhaps we could put these guidelines into the Wiki?
\/                                   \/                                   \/
On November 19, 2004 12:56, Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
> What might be of use are rules which are centered around ports, not
> people, like:
> - if a download is broken (as in fam), commit and tag
>   REASON: there's no point in keeping a broken port
>   ACTION: notify the original poster
>   NOTE:   have a look at the port; if you're not confident that it works
>           the same as before, try to get the original patch and
>           add it to the CVS itself
> - if it's a security or otherwise critical fix, send a patch to the
>   maintainer with an URL to the report. If the maintainer doesn't
>   respond in 2 days, commit and tag
>   ACTION: notify the original poster
>   NOTE:   if you're uncertain about the fix, contact clc-devel first
> - if you have change suggestions, contact the maintainer with a
>   description of your changes. If he doesn't respond, resend to
>   clc-devel to discuss it there and apply if it seems to make sense.


Cheers,
Nick


From Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 19 12:41:24 2004
From: Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca (Nick Steeves)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:41:24 -0700
Subject: [clc-devel] Script to find redundant dependencies
In-Reply-To: <20041118205415.GA24198@hoc>
References: <20041118205415.GA24198@hoc>
Message-ID: <200411190541.24802.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>

On November 18, 2004 1:54, Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
> You can find it at
>   http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/findredundantdeps
>
> Kind regards, Johannes
> P.S.: yeah, the name sucks
What do you think of "fredd"?  (FindREDundantDeps)

Cheers,
Nick


From jaeger at morpheus.net  Fri Nov 19 15:03:01 2004
From: jaeger at morpheus.net (Matt Housh)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:03:01 -0600
Subject: [clc-devel] The question of maintainer protocol
In-Reply-To: <200411190150.00814.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
References: <200411182309.14316.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
	 <20041119075613.GA7455@hoc>
	 <200411190150.00814.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <1100876581.20232.1.camel@charon.frc.utulsa.edu>

On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 01:50 -0700, Nick Steeves wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this is exactly what I was looking for.  Thank you for replying.  One 
> other case I've been wondering about:  What if updating own port a, which 
> depends on someone else's port b, cannot build without an update to b?  
> Currently, I fork a httpup version to publish along side updated port a, 
> while contrib's a remains old.

To answer the first, I have generally emailed the maintainer in the
past. If a port is unmaintained, I don't feel bad about updating it
myself, but if it's got an active maintainer listed, I mail said
maintainer an update.

As for the second, I also fork an httpup version of it and then follow
the first bit. :)

Matt (jaeger at freenode/#crux)

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From daniel at danm.de  Fri Nov 19 19:25:36 2004
From: daniel at danm.de (Daniel Mueller)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:25:36 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] Re: Check-in [703]: fam
In-Reply-To: <200411180434.57130.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
References: <200411180434.57130.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <20041119202536.34d2ea50@torax.home.danm.de>

Hi Nick,

thank you for updating the port. Yes, I think that's the proper way to
do things. To conclude your rule --> If you know that the maintainer is
currently on vacation or you've made an very important security update
continue and tag it immediately.
This rule is written nowhere, but I think it's a good idea ;-)

Again, thank you. 
danm

-- 
Daniel Mueller
Berlin, Germany		(OpenPGP:  1024D/E4F4383A)


On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:34:57 -0700
Nick Steeves wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Debian updated their patch to v6.  I commited a change accordingly,
> and am awaiting your approval, via tagging it for CONTRIB-2_0.  Is
> this the standard protocol within CLC?
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick
> 
> 


From sip at varlock.com  Fri Nov 19 22:35:41 2004
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:35:41 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
Message-ID: <419E753D.6090806@varlock.com>

Hi there,

I know this isn't exactly a top priority,
but what about having our own mascot?

I was thinking of a moose* such as (merely for giving an idea):
http://www.varlock.com/images/moose01.jpg
   or
http://www.varlock.com/images/moose02.jpg

but in SVG format and painted with a style close to the gimp's wilber:
http://www.varlock.com/images/wilber.png

I have a couple of friends that are very good artists
and would be happy (I hope!) to contribute.

What do you think about the idea?

Regards,
Simone

* I've heard they live in Sweden, even if I didn't see
   any in Stockholm Center :)

-- 
Simone Rota           WEB : http://www.varlock.com
Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From jw at tks6.net  Sat Nov 20 09:03:47 2004
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:03:47 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] RFC: Commit message guideline
Message-ID: <20041120090347.GC24198@hoc>

Hi,

You might have seen the discussion on labeling security related updates;
J?rgen and I have also create a CVSTrac report which looks for the word
'security' in the commit message and lists those [1].

I'd like to suggest the following format for such changes:

[security] <portname>: <text> <url>

url should point to the advisory or vulnerability decription.

Example:
 "[security] gdk-pixbuf: security update http://www.mandrakesoft.com/security/advisories?name=MDKSA-2004:095"

This way, they should be easy to spot in the timeline and reliable to
find using our report.
How does this sound? We might also do something similar if we have to do
a binary incompatible change inbetween releases, but I guess we can
discuss this later.

Kind regards, Johannes

1 http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/rptview?rn=11
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From victord at v600.net  Sun Nov 21 06:37:28 2004
From: victord at v600.net (Victor)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 01:37:28 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
In-Reply-To: <419E753D.6090806@varlock.com>
References: <419E753D.6090806@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <41A037A8.9000708@v600.net>

Simone Rota wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I know this isn't exactly a top priority,
> but what about having our own mascot?
> 
> I was thinking of a moose* such as (merely for giving an idea):
> http://www.varlock.com/images/moose01.jpg
>   or
> http://www.varlock.com/images/moose02.jpg

I liked the first one, but can't there be something meaner? :)
I guess it figures, but I really like the ravens logo (local football 
team). maybe something of that type would be cool (though I don't know 
how good a gfx artist one has to be to make something like that)

http://baltimoreravens.com/images/homepage/home_right_my_ravens_account.gif
http://www.teamhitchcover.com/ravens.gif
(just direction, not to use this logo, we should be original)

http://www.nfl.com/ (scroll down) has very good logos (obviously). I 
think could be a cool idea starting point.

Something cool, but mean looking (and would look good on a tshirt).
Is there a mean moose around? Maybe a mean falcon. angry hedgehog? 
Hedgehog doesn't sound like a bad idea...

Just a thought.
Victor


From Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 21 09:23:06 2004
From: Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca (Nick Steeves)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:23:06 -0700
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
In-Reply-To: <41A037A8.9000708@v600.net>
References: <419E753D.6090806@varlock.com> <41A037A8.9000708@v600.net>
Message-ID: <200411210223.06819.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>

On November 20, 2004 11:37, Victor wrote:
> http://www.nfl.com/ (scroll down) has very good logos (obviously). I
> think could be a cool idea starting point.
>
> Something cool, but mean looking (and would look good on a tshirt).
> Is there a mean moose around? Maybe a mean falcon. angry hedgehog?
> Hedgehog doesn't sound like a bad idea...

Why the negative emotion?  Should CRUX really be associated with meanness and 
anger?  Doesn't using CRUX put you in a satisfied mood?  The floating GNU is 
already taken, and we definitely shouldn't choose a mascot which represents 
the bovine qualities of its users.  (*cough*Larry-the-Cow)

Google image search for "intelligent animal" turns up a few hundred, but it 
was the raccoon which caught my eye.  Raccoons can be foaming-at-the-mouth 
angry, given the right conditions--or can be peaceful scavengers with the 
decency to wash their food.  They have teeth which grow for their entire 
lives, which could symbolize "keeping their skills sharp".  Black "raccoon 
eyes" from staying up too late trying to get broken software to compile. :-)  
Scavenging nature, where they take things from their environment--downloading 
our sources from other people's mirrors--they don't mind, and if they did 
we'd go somewhere else.

The only serious problem with the raccoon, is that most people see him as a 
pest.  Many Linux users see the plethora of minor distro's as pests, so 
perhaps their is a parallel here too?  Is it a positive or a negative one?

Raccoons can be printed on a gray or black t-shirt with just two colours of 
ink.  (if t-shirt is gray, use black & white ink.  If t-shirt is black, use 
gray & white).  This makes it cheaper to make t-shirts, mugs, etc.

Lastly, the raccoon is similar in spirit to Puffy the Blowfish, because he can 
look both cute, or angry/mean. (though mean is the exception for reasons that 
should be biologically obvious...rabies.  We don't want to bankrupt CISCO, 
replace windows, or take over the world, so probably shouldn't adopt a 
predator as a mascot.  IMHO, intelligence and cuteness are essential for a 
mascot.

On the other hand, the moose has the capability to look stoic.  I could live 
with being identified with a stoic moose.  Caribou exist as for food for 
others, so that's a definite no.  The beaver logo is already used by Roots, 
and is liable to be interpreted as such within Canada.  The moose is used by 
Moosehead, a good Lager from the maritime province of New Brunswick--though 
if we used a comic moose, that wouldn't be an issue.  (and since it's a good 
beer, the logo is bearable)

Canine domesticus was already claimed by YellowDog.  A flying fish, perhaps?  
Maybe some kind of bird?  Are raccoons considered seriously offensive in 
anyone's culture?  I'm drawing most of my "visible animals" with a, perhaps, 
Canadian bias.  Raccoons exist all over most of North-of-the-Mediterranean 
Europe though, right?  Oops, I just checked--they don't.  Introduced to 
Germany in 1934, they are now an urban plague.  They're apparently going to 
conquer continental Europe.  They're not a predator, but will conquer.  Is 
this a desirable trait?  "Viral GPL spreads across the continent, infecting 
European programmers everywhere.  Remember kids, don't touch raccoons, they 
carry the Free Software virus".  Perhaps this would make the raccoon a great 
conversation starter in continental Europe?  Is that the purpose of a t-shirt 
logo?

Here are some links to decent raccoon photos/caricatures:

A skinny one:
http://www.ozyandmillie.org/2002/om20020205.gif

Angry:
http://www.inwap.com/mf/reboot/episodes/games/raccoon.jpg

Intelligent, alert, and standing on two legs! (photo):
http://home.san.rr.com/wrichar3/images/Raccoon.jpg

Other:
http://www.northern.edu/natsource/MAMMALS/rac1.jpg
http://www.wildlifecenter.net/images/Raccoon-Dsc01791.jpg
http://thejunglestore.com/media/Raccoon-decal-pganimal-flod.jpg
http://raynox.com/actualimage/digital/e5400/e5400-dcr1850-raccoon.jpg
http://www.exzooberance.com/virtual zoo/they walk/raccoon/Raccoon 42009.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/brainxxdamage/charactersbandit.jpg
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.angelfire.com/weird/curseofdagrak/Tobiasspell.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.angelfire.com/weird/curseofdagrak/commain.html&h=266&w=443&sz=15&tbnid=nWkbhyuLICYJ:&tbnh=74&tbnw=123&start=11&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dracoon%2Bcomic%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
http://www.havahart.com/nuisance/images/raccoondk.jpg
http://pathea.com/media/wallpapers/ghibli/pompoko/index.shtml


Honestly, I could probably live with the moose, so long has he has intelligent 
eyes, rather then deer or cow eyes.  Biologically, humans are WAY closer to 
the raccoon.  Actually, IIRC, outside of humans and orangutans, raccoons are 
the only living creature with an opposable thumb.  Nope, I just checked 
wikipedia:

Available are:
Panda
Koala
Oppossum
Cebids 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/200px-White-throated_Capuchin.jpg)

Moose is quite tasty, in case you haven't had the opportunity to try it.  
Definitely the tastiest game, imho.  (better then deer, any fowl, elk...maybe 
not caribou.  Haven't had the chance to try boar.)  There's not a chance in 
the world that I'd touch anything with a hyper-combative mascot on it.


Cheers,
Nick


From riemer at ppprs1.phy.tu-dresden.de  Sun Nov 21 10:56:56 2004
From: riemer at ppprs1.phy.tu-dresden.de (Tilo Riemer)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:56:56 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
In-Reply-To: <41A037A8.9000708@v600.net>
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Hello,

I vote for the raccoon.


Zitat von Victor <victord at v600.net>:
> I guess it figures, but I really like the ravens logo (local
> football team). maybe something of that type would be cool (though I
> don't know how good a gfx artist one has to be to make something 
> like that)

A raven would also be nice but the raven is used by ravensoft (see
http://www.ravensoft.com).


Best regards, Tilo

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From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 21 13:37:22 2004
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:37:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
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--- Nick Steeves <Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca> wrote:


> Google image search for "intelligent animal" turns
> up a few hundred, but it 
> was the raccoon which caught my eye.

Ooooh, I like this one!  The other main quality of
racoons that you didn't touch on is their thirst for
mischeif.  True, they can be a pest, but they're so
cute in the process that it's extremely hard to ever
want to do one harm.

Very cool idea, I love it..

The moose is also a good idea.  The racoon get's my
vote because I read a lot of stories about wiley
'coons when I was a kid, and I think of a lot of us as
mischeivous geek twirps ;)

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Windmill Cycles, Inc.
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From per at fukt.bth.se  Sun Nov 21 14:24:20 2004
From: per at fukt.bth.se (Per Liden)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:24:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Simone Rota wrote:

> Hi there,

Hey,
 
> I know this isn't exactly a top priority,
> but what about having our own mascot?

Have you been living under a rock? ;)

CRUX already has one: http://www.fukt.bth.se/~per/crux/penguin.gif

/Per


From sip at varlock.com  Sun Nov 21 14:35:35 2004
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:35:35 +0100
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
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On 21/11/2004 15:24 Per Liden wrote:
> Hey,
Hi Per

>>I know this isn't exactly a top priority,
>>but what about having our own mascot?

> Have you been living under a rock? ;)
Yes, I share a big rock with a couple of friends :)

> CRUX already has one: http://www.fukt.bth.se/~per/crux/penguin.gif
Yeah, I know, I was thinking of 'our own' as in 'original',
something that is not used by other people/projects.
(as with Urs's penguin).

Regards,
Simone


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From victord at v600.net  Mon Nov 22 00:10:00 2004
From: victord at v600.net (Victor)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:10:00 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
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Tilo Riemer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I vote for the raccoon.
> 
> 
> Zitat von Victor <victord at v600.net>:
> 
>>I guess it figures, but I really like the ravens logo (local
>>football team). maybe something of that type would be cool (though I
>>don't know how good a gfx artist one has to be to make something 
>>like that)
> 
> 
> A raven would also be nice but the raven is used by ravensoft (see
> http://www.ravensoft.com).

I only offered that as example of logo design. I think those things 
looked like good "logo" images.


From victord at v600.net  Mon Nov 22 00:20:30 2004
From: victord at v600.net (Victor)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:20:30 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] Software licenses
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Simone Rota wrote:
> On 09/21/04 13:49 Jukka Heino wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now that Simone Rota has committed his datastudio port into contrib, I 
>> began to wonder if CLC has some sort of policy on what software 
>> licenses should be allowed in contrib. At least one user was concerned 
>> that he might accidentally install software which would require a 
>> commercial license for the purpose he's using it for. I, for one, 
>> would find something like a "License" field in Pkgfiles useful so that 
>> with a quick glance one could see under which terms the software is 
>> released (GPL, BSD...). What do others think?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> in the case of datastudio, license information and selection is
> displayed at first run, so a misunderstanding is not possible.
> (just saw Johannes pointed out this as well)
> 
> Assuming the problem is not limited to that port,
> I'm more in favour of a specific solution (as suggested by
> ncrfgs); the README file seems an appropriate place for me.
> This way we won't have to add overhead to other ports.
> 
> Regards,
> Simone

I agree, README is best. Because then "work" for it is only done on 
"commercial" ports and we don't have to hunt down license information 
for ALL ports. Why make maintainer life hard than it already is.

I am not against an License field, just if we could make it optional.


From Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 29 10:48:54 2004
From: Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca (Nick Steeves)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:48:54 -0700
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX mascot?
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What about something geometric and neutral like the Ubuntu logo?  Crux linux 
would need a four piece one, with two main gaps coming together at the crux, 
or center of the logo.  I have no idea what colours or shapes would be used 
though...

On November 19, 2004 3:35, Simone Rota wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I know this isn't exactly a top priority,
> but what about having our own mascot?
>
> I was thinking of a moose* such as (merely for giving an idea):
> http://www.varlock.com/images/moose01.jpg
>    or
> http://www.varlock.com/images/moose02.jpg
>
> but in SVG format and painted with a style close to the gimp's wilber:
> http://www.varlock.com/images/wilber.png
>
> I have a couple of friends that are very good artists
> and would be happy (I hope!) to contribute.
>
> What do you think about the idea?
>
> Regards,
> Simone
>
> * I've heard they live in Sweden, even if I didn't see
>    any in Stockholm Center :)