From jw at tks6.net  Sat Apr  2 09:19:33 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 11:19:33 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Branched 2.0 ports, please start to tag ports for 2.1
Message-ID: <20050402091933.GE25024@narvik.tks6.lan>

Hi everybody,

I've created a branch from the CONTRIB-2_0 ports in order to allow
independent port updates for CRUX 2.0 if this is needed. In order to
work on it, do a 
  export CVS_RSH=ssh
  cvs -d <user>@clc.morpheus.net:/home/crux/cvs co -r CRUX-2_0 clc
Changes for CRUX 2.0 should only be commited to this branch.

In addition, please start tagging the ports for 2.1 (tag: CONTRIB-2_1)
using the 2.1rc1 ISO, if you have to chance to do so. 
It installs and runs fine in qemu [1], a processor emulator which can
emulate an x86 machine (amongst others), allowing you to test your ports
without freeing up a Vpartition, or updating your production server :-). 
I recommend to use Jukka's port if you are interested in qemu.

Finally, you don't have to do a fresh checkout to tag the ports
CONTRIB-2_1; you can continue with your current working copy.

Feel free to ask if you have questions or anything's unclear. 
Kind regards, Johannes


P.S. I created the branch from the CONTRIB-2_0 tag, which means that if
you commited changes without moving the tag, they're not taken into
account.

References:
 1 http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
-- 
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From jw at tks6.net  Mon Apr  4 08:49:28 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:49:28 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Branched 2.0 ports, please start to tag ports for 2.1
Message-ID: <20050404084928.GB29659@narvik.tks6.lan>

Hi everybody,

I've created a branch from the CONTRIB-2_0 ports in order to allow
independent port updates for CRUX 2.0 if this is needed. In order to
work on it, do a 
  export CVS_RSH=ssh
  cvs -d <user>@clc.morpheus.net:/home/crux/cvs co -r CRUX-2_0 clc
Changes for CRUX 2.0 should only be commited to this branch.

In addition, please start tagging the ports for 2.1 (tag: CONTRIB-2_1)
using the 2.1rc1 ISO, if you have to chance to do so. 
It installs and runs fine in qemu [1], a processor emulator which can
emulate an x86 machine (amongst others), allowing you to test your ports
without freeing up a Vpartition, or updating your production server :-). 
I recommend to use Jukka's port if you are interested in qemu.

Finally, you don't have to do a fresh checkout to tag the ports
CONTRIB-2_1; you can continue with your current working copy.

Feel free to ask if you have questions or anything's unclear. 
Kind regards, Johannes


P.S. I created the branch from the CONTRIB-2_0 tag, which means that if
you commited changes without moving the tag, they're not taken into
account.

References:
 1 http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
-- 
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Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From tilman at code-monkey.de  Sat Apr  2 14:51:55 2005
From: tilman at code-monkey.de (Tilman Sauerbeck)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:51:55 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] I'm retiring
Message-ID: <20050402145155.GA2387@code-monkey.de>

Hi folks,
I'm leaving the CLC team.

My primary interest is, and has always been, to provide a few
well-maintained ports for CRUX. To be honest, I'm not interested that
much in all the stuff that's happening around CRUX and CLC right now,
like the development of the new contrib collection, the Subversion
switch etc, and I feel bad for it.

I shouldn't be a part of CLC if all I want is to provide a bunch of
ports, I can do that with httpup and the new contrib collection as well.

I'll now move my ports to unmaintained and put those into my httpup
repo that aren't picked up by another CLC member in the next few days.

-- 
Regards,
Tilman


From jw at tks6.net  Mon Apr  4 10:58:20 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:58:20 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] I'm retiring
In-Reply-To: <20050402145155.GA2387@code-monkey.de>
References: <20050402145155.GA2387@code-monkey.de>
Message-ID: <20050404105820.GA32426@narvik.tks6.lan>

Hi Tilman,

On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 16:51:55 +0200, Tilman Sauerbeck wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I'm leaving the CLC team.
> 
> My primary interest is, and has always been, to provide a few
> well-maintained ports for CRUX. To be honest, I'm not interested that
> much in all the stuff that's happening around CRUX and CLC right now,
> like the development of the new contrib collection, the Subversion
> switch etc, and I feel bad for it.
> 
> I shouldn't be a part of CLC if all I want is to provide a bunch of
> ports, I can do that with httpup and the new contrib collection as well.
While you sound very determined to leave, I'd like to ask you to
reconsider since there's nothing wrong with "just" providing ports, and
you really shouldn't feel bad about not caring about the rest.
I agree though that currently, the responsibilities are not very while
defined; after the release of 2.1, I'd like to see a division of the
tasks into subprojects like 'ports', 'tools', 'website' etc. Therefore,
the 'ports' subproject might exactly be what you're looking for. 

Anyway, I'd be happy if you changed your mind, and remained at CLC;
otherwise, thank you very much for all your work. 

Kind regards, Johannes
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From sip at varlock.com  Mon Apr  4 17:53:57 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:53:57 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] 2.1 tag for unmaintained ports
Message-ID: <42517F35.2090304@varlock.com>

Hi there,

Me, Johannes and Juergen had a brief discussion on IRC
regarding ports that one is going to drop for 2.1.

Please tag them GRAVEYARD, (not UNMAINTAINED) so people
still using the 2.0 ports won't get duplicates in contrib
and unmaintained.

This could cause a temporary disappearing of some port,
but we'll re-integrate them in a httpup repository as
soon as the new contrib setup is ready for prime time.

Regards,
Simone

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From jw at tks6.net  Mon Apr  4 17:56:11 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:56:11 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: <424C37BB.3050202@varlock.com>
References: <424C37BB.3050202@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <20050404175611.GJ25024@narvik.tks6.lan>

Hey,

On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 19:47:39 +0200, Simone Rota wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> some time ago I offered to help with the crux/clc website merge,
> I drop you some proposal/idea in case we're going to start to work on
> the project during the following weeks.
> 
> I've been evaluating some wiki package during the last days
> and my preference goes to wikka wiki:
> 
> http://wikka.jsnx.com/TestSkin
I used wikka before, and it would certainly be a good wiki for our
purpose. I also set up a MediaWiki (the thing befind Wikipedia) which
was very simple, too (didn't look into ACLs and the like, though).

> In my opinion with something like Wikka we could manage the entire
> CRUX/CLC website in a collaborative manner, and use cvstrac only as a
> bug tracker.
Agreed. I'd also like to see subprojects appearing there, like amd64, or
the mono ports if those guys manage to form a group :-)


> Apart from the choice of software, we cannot really start something
> without some knowledge about the physical location of the site.
Jay mentioned on IRC that he might help us here, since he has some
connections to a local university (I hope I remember that correctly).
Jay, can you elaborate on this?

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
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Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From crux at morpheus.net  Tue Apr  5 06:08:38 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Tue,  5 Apr 2005 01:08:38 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] libstdc++-compat download failure
Message-ID: <20050405060841.133E5D2BB8@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (71) has been created or modified:

Description:



Remarks:



Contact: prologic at shortcircuit dot net dot au
CLC User: anonymous
Status: new

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=71



From crux at morpheus.net  Tue Apr  5 09:33:43 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Tue,  5 Apr 2005 04:33:43 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] libstdc++-compat download failure
Message-ID: <20050405093345.E707F6B47F3@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (71) has been created or modified:

Description:



Remarks:



Contact: prologic at shortcircuit dot net dot au
CLC User: jw
Status: defer

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=71



From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 14:08:17 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050405140817.24187.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 19:47:39 +0200, Simone Rota
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > some time ago I offered to help with the crux/clc
> website merge,
> > I drop you some proposal/idea in case we're going
> to start to work on
> > the project during the following weeks.
> > 
> > I've been evaluating some wiki package during the
> last days
> > and my preference goes to wikka wiki:
> > 
> > http://wikka.jsnx.com/TestSkin
> I used wikka before, and it would certainly be a
> good wiki for our
> purpose. I also set up a MediaWiki (the thing befind
> Wikipedia) which
> was very simple, too (didn't look into ACLs and the
> like, though).
> 
> > In my opinion with something like Wikka we could
> manage the entire
> > CRUX/CLC website in a collaborative manner, and
> use cvstrac only as a
> > bug tracker.
> Agreed. I'd also like to see subprojects appearing
> there, like amd64, or
> the mono ports if those guys manage to form a group
> :-)
> 
> 
> > Apart from the choice of software, we cannot
> really start something
> > without some knowledge about the physical location
> of the site.
> Jay mentioned on IRC that he might help us here,
> since he has some
> connections to a local university (I hope I remember
> that correctly).
> Jay, can you elaborate on this?


Sure.  I'm 90% confident that it would not be a
problem at all for me to drop a box on UMass
Dartmouth's T1.  I can also probably convince my boss
to donate some older hardware (something like a P3
700, 256MB) to the project.  I live about 10 minutes
from the university, and am still in contact with
several of my professors.  So handling hardware
malfunctions in a timely manner wouldn't be terribly
difficult.  It would be completely free.  The only
problems we'd have to deal with would be power
outages, etc..maybe twice a year.

What I'd like to do, if we persue this, is get the
machine up and running and drop it on the line.  Then
give root to those of you who require it (jw, jaeger,
pli, sip..).  You guys could then work your magic and
get whatever else the box needs installed and running.

I started thinking of this idea back at CruxCon, when
we spoke of merging the CLC/Crux.nu websites.  To me,
it only makes sense that we'd be better off with our
very own box..rather than dealing with someone else's
hosting policies.

Just an idea.  Let me know if you wish for me to
persue it further.

Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000


		
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From jw at tks6.net  Tue Apr  5 14:39:34 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:39:34 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: <20050405140817.24187.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050405140817.24187.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050405143934.GC27193@narvik.tks6.lan>

Hi,

On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 07:08:17 -0700, Jay Dolan wrote:
> 
> --- Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> wrote:
[...]
> > Jay mentioned on IRC that he might help us here, since he has some
> > connections to a local university (I hope I remember that
> > correctly).  Jay, can you elaborate on this?
> 
> Sure.  I'm 90% confident that it would not be a problem at all for me
> to drop a box on UMass Dartmouth's T1.  I can also probably convince
> my boss to donate some older hardware (something like a P3 700, 256MB)
> to the project.  I live about 10 minutes from the university, and am
> still in contact with several of my professors.  So handling hardware
> malfunctions in a timely manner wouldn't be terribly difficult.  It
> would be completely free.  The only problems we'd have to deal with
> would be power outages, etc..maybe twice a year.
This sounds great; maybe we can collect some money for additional RAM
and a RAID setup.
WRT to power outages, we should work out a concept for mirroring, maybe
even with ports(8) supporting a fallback-server; I don't mind when
development stops for a few days, what matters more is that users can
get the ports from somewhere.

Otherwise, I really like the plan.
Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
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Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From jaeger at morpheus.net  Tue Apr  5 14:56:47 2005
From: jaeger at morpheus.net (Matt Housh)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:56:47 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: <20050405143934.GC27193@narvik.tks6.lan>
References: <20050405140817.24187.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>
	 <20050405143934.GC27193@narvik.tks6.lan>
Message-ID: <1112713007.29658.7.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 16:39 +0200, Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
> This sounds great; maybe we can collect some money for additional RAM
> and a RAID setup.
> WRT to power outages, we should work out a concept for mirroring, maybe
> even with ports(8) supporting a fallback-server; I don't mind when
> development stops for a few days, what matters more is that users can
> get the ports from somewhere.

I like this idea and will be happy to donate some money for hardware
upgrades if needed; especially since morpheus.net may be moving soon, to
a colocation facility in dallas, which is 4 hours south from me. That's
not so much a problem since I do go down there every now and then and my
co-admin lives there. What *might* be a problem is that we WILL have a
bandwidth limit if we host the server there. I don't know the details on
the colocation plan yet and it's not set in stone... but as I said when
we moved clc to morpheus.net, it might not be a permanent solution. Not
that I'm against hosting it, it just seems like Jay's solution is a
better one in this case.

</ramble>

Matt (jaeger at freenode/#crux)




From crux at morpheus.net  Tue Apr  5 15:13:20 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Tue,  5 Apr 2005 10:13:20 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] nautilus-test-view still exist
Message-ID: <20050405151323.E8BB51B6EBC@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (72) has been created or modified:

Description:

--disable-test-view does not work correctly. I still got this test-view in nautilus.
My patch just deletes the non-needed files.

Thanks.

Remarks:



Contact: pazo at shiba dk
CLC User: anonymous
Status: new

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=72



From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 15:14:34 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050405151435.35913.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Matt Housh <jaeger at morpheus.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 16:39 +0200, Johannes
> Winkelmann wrote:
> > This sounds great; maybe we can collect some money
> for additional RAM
> > and a RAID setup.
> > WRT to power outages, we should work out a concept
> for mirroring, maybe
> > even with ports(8) supporting a fallback-server; I
> don't mind when
> > development stops for a few days, what matters
> more is that users can
> > get the ports from somewhere.
> 
> I like this idea and will be happy to donate some
> money for hardware
> upgrades if needed; especially since morpheus.net
> may be moving soon, to
> a colocation facility in dallas, which is 4 hours
> south from me. That's
> not so much a problem since I do go down there every
> now and then and my
> co-admin lives there. What *might* be a problem is
> that we WILL have a
> bandwidth limit if we host the server there. I don't
> know the details on
> the colocation plan yet and it's not set in stone...
> but as I said when
> we moved clc to morpheus.net, it might not be a
> permanent solution. Not
> that I'm against hosting it, it just seems like
> Jay's solution is a
> better one in this case.
> 
> </ramble>
> 
> Matt (jaeger at freenode/#crux)
> 

I've mailed my old professor about the idea.  I should
hear back from him shortly.  I used to actually have 3
machines in a server closet there, for a Quake gaming
site (QMass.net).  Seeing as tho this is a much more
educationally-oriented project, I can't see how they'd
be opposed :)  I'll work on my boss re: hardware.

Just a site note, I actually have a little box in my
apartment (jdolan.dyndns.org).  It's a Celeron
533/128MB, with a 40GB EIDE drive.  Nothing
spectacular..I use it for NFS, rsync backups, and
hosting a couple small, static sites (jaydolan.com). 
If, depending on CRUX's requirements, I could still
host my personal crap there (~/public_html style, or
something), I'd be happy to donate that machine
myself.  The only thing I'd buy for it would be a
better power supply.  Save on my electric bill if I
moved it elsewhere ;)

Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000


		
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From sip at varlock.com  Tue Apr  5 15:54:09 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:54:09 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: <1112713007.29658.7.camel@localhost>
References: <20050405140817.24187.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>	 <20050405143934.GC27193@narvik.tks6.lan> <1112713007.29658.7.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4252B4A1.5040209@varlock.com>

On 04/05/05 16:56 Matt Housh wrote:
>>This sounds great; maybe we can collect some money for additional RAM
>>and a RAID setup.
> 
> I like this idea and will be happy to donate some money for hardware
> upgrades if needed; especially since morpheus.net may be moving soon, to
> a colocation facility in dallas, which is 4 hours south from me. That's
> not so much a problem since I do go down there every now and then and my
> co-admin lives there. What *might* be a problem is that we WILL have a
> bandwidth limit if we host the server there. I don't know the details on
> the colocation plan yet and it's not set in stone... but as I said when
> we moved clc to morpheus.net, it might not be a permanent solution. Not
> that I'm against hosting it, it just seems like Jay's solution is a
> better one in this case.

Well, I suggested using a 3rd party host for avoiding the hassle of
the maintainance of another service, but I like the idea of a
clc machine as well. Count me on for some financial contribution.

Since we're on topic, I suggest also to dedicate a domain or
subdomain for the machine in question (if possible), so next time
we move the users won't be left alone in the cold :)
Better again, using different subdomains (pointing to the same machine
for now) such as ports.crux.nu, dev.crux.nu, etc would facilitate
eventual future re-locations or addition of other machines.

P.S. I don't remember what were Per's plan regarding the crux.nu
domain and if we'd have to register a new one.

Regards

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Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 16:26:03 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:26:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050405162603.49292.qmail@web41528.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Simone Rota <sip at varlock.com> wrote:
> Well, I suggested using a 3rd party host for
> avoiding the hassle of
> the maintainance of another service, but I like the
> idea of a
> clc machine as well. Count me on for some financial
> contribution.
> 
> Since we're on topic, I suggest also to dedicate a
> domain or
> subdomain for the machine in question (if possible),
> so next time
> we move the users won't be left alone in the cold :)
> Better again, using different subdomains (pointing
> to the same machine
> for now) such as ports.crux.nu, dev.crux.nu, etc
> would facilitate
> eventual future re-locations or addition of other
> machines.
> 
> P.S. I don't remember what were Per's plan regarding
> the crux.nu
> domain and if we'd have to register a new one.
> 

Crux-linux.org is available.  And I agree with your
subdomain idea.

Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000


		
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From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 17:52:38 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] prtsync v0.2
Message-ID: <20050405175238.65398.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>

Johannes, Simone, others..

I've reworked much of prtsync to address some of it's
previous shortcomings.  I did make an effort to work
with jw's fork, but I'm a baby.. I was having a hard
time following it.

About the only major difference between his version
and this one, to CLC, I think, is that this one still
uses backwards compatible httpup driver files, rather
than a custom config syntax.  I just thought it would
be easier that way..we're already going to have
.httpup files for these collections.

So, it seems much more viable now.  I hope you'll take
a poke at it and let me know what you think.  There is
a manpage included in the port.  Oh.. which is
available in my httpup repository ;)

Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000

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From mo at obbl-net.de  Tue Apr  5 20:18:47 2005
From: mo at obbl-net.de (Opel Martin)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:18:47 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] I'm not retiring, but reducing my number of ports...
Message-ID: <4252F2A7.7090001@obbl-net.de>

Hi CLC maintainers,

you all will have noticed that I were very rarely online the last 
months. I changed my job half a year ago and in July my second child 
will be born. What I want to say: I have not the time to be a good 
maintainer for 77 ports and a good father for 2 children :)

I will tag a first bunch of ports UNMAINTAINED tonight (only ports, 
without depending ports).

If you're interested in taking over one of my other ports, let me know. 
There's only a little number of ports I want to keep.

Bye
Martin (obbl).

-- 
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Regensburg, Germany



From tillbiedermann at yahoo.de  Tue Apr  5 20:52:54 2005
From: tillbiedermann at yahoo.de (Till Biedermann)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:52:54 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] New CRUX/CLC website
In-Reply-To: <424C37BB.3050202@varlock.com>
References: <424C37BB.3050202@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <4252FAA6.5050006@yahoo.de>

Hi,

> I've been evaluating some wiki package during the last days
> and my preference goes to wikka wiki:
> 
> http://wikka.jsnx.com/TestSkin
> 
> for the following reasons:
> 
> - lightweight but with interesting features
> - easy to configure/install/manage
> - graphically customizable (ie: select the "withew.css" skin
>   in the url above)
> - good support for ACLs, very useful for subprojects
> - does not require 3rd party software (just plain php+mysql)
> 

I agree with that. I especially like the way to embedd own code with
"actions".

Like already mentioned I am going to integrate my ports database into
the CRUX/CLC website. So I want to ask if this should stay a 
one-man-project or if anybody is interested in collaborating.
In case there are volunteers I suggest to write a white paper describing 
the current implementation and my ideas. So we have a basis for 
discussions about features, implementation and improvements.


Regards Till


-- 
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From sip at varlock.com  Tue Apr  5 21:13:13 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:13:13 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] I'm not retiring, but reducing my number of ports...
In-Reply-To: <4252F2A7.7090001@obbl-net.de>
References: <4252F2A7.7090001@obbl-net.de>
Message-ID: <4252FF69.5070601@varlock.com>

On 04/05/05 22:18 Opel Martin wrote:
> Hi CLC maintainers,

Hey Martin,

> you all will have noticed that I were very rarely online the last
> months. I changed my job half a year ago and in July my second child
> will be born. What I want to say: I have not the time to be a good
> maintainer for 77 ports and a good father for 2 children :)

Congratulations! Please teach your children the wonderful art of
maintaining ports as they grow up, so we can prepare the future
generations :)

> I will tag a first bunch of ports UNMAINTAINED tonight (only ports,
> without depending ports).
> 
> If you're interested in taking over one of my other ports, let me know.
> There's only a little number of ports I want to keep.

Good, I use many of your ports daily and I'll adopt some.

Btw, What about leaving the ports in 2.0 contrib and tagging
them GRAVEYARD (see previous mail) for CLC 2.1?

I think it would be a bit easier for other maintainers to adopt
them since some of us is already working on 2.1
Of course this is not the case if we plan to maintain the 2.0
branch for a long time.

Regards,
Simone

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From tilman at code-monkey.de  Wed Apr  6 17:32:58 2005
From: tilman at code-monkey.de (Tilman Sauerbeck)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:32:58 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] I'm retiring
In-Reply-To: <20050404105820.GA32426@narvik.tks6.lan>
References: <20050402145155.GA2387@code-monkey.de> <20050404105820.GA32426@narvik.tks6.lan>
Message-ID: <20050406173258.GA1649@code-monkey.de>

Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> [2005-04-04 12:58]:
> On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 16:51:55 +0200, Tilman Sauerbeck wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > I'm leaving the CLC team.
> > 
> > My primary interest is, and has always been, to provide a few
> > well-maintained ports for CRUX. To be honest, I'm not interested that
> > much in all the stuff that's happening around CRUX and CLC right now,
> > like the development of the new contrib collection, the Subversion
> > switch etc, and I feel bad for it.
> > 
> > I shouldn't be a part of CLC if all I want is to provide a bunch of
> > ports, I can do that with httpup and the new contrib collection as well.
> While you sound very determined to leave, I'd like to ask you to
> reconsider since there's nothing wrong with "just" providing ports, and
> you really shouldn't feel bad about not caring about the rest.
> I agree though that currently, the responsibilities are not very while
> defined; after the release of 2.1, I'd like to see a division of the
> tasks into subprojects like 'ports', 'tools', 'website' etc. Therefore,
> the 'ports' subproject might exactly be what you're looking for. 
> 
> Anyway, I'd be happy if you changed your mind, and remained at CLC;
> otherwise, thank you very much for all your work. 

Heh, you made me change my mind, I'll stay :)

-- 
Regards,
Tilman


From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 20:17:17 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] prtsync 0.3-2
Message-ID: <20050407201717.94861.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com>

Fixes and improvements..

All notifications are sent to at least $mailer.

COLLECTION= is no longer required/used in .httpup
files.  In fact, standard .httpup driver files may be
used as-is without problems.  However, if EMAIL= is
specified in the files, notifications will go to those
addresses as well as $mailer.

Tag (.sync) files may be ignored with `prtsync -i
sync`, or by adjusting ignore_tag_files in
/etc/prtsync.conf.  This may be of use in the
immediate future as we attempt to merge not-yet-tagged
repositories.

An archive of the merged repository can be updated
with `prtsync -a merge`, or by adjusting use_archive
in /etc/prtsync.conf.  This archive may suppliment
initial checkouts, and could eventually be built into
the ports(8) httpup driver or httpup(8) itself.  The
archive is left out of the REPO file for obvious
reasons.

The merge algorithm is a little smarter and safer
all-around.  I've successfully synced, merged, and
tinkered with repos from Han, cptn, jaeger, and
myself.  The man(1) page has also been updated. 
Please test this if you can and report any
errors/shortcomings.

Han, cptn, jaeger, sorry for any spams you've received
in the last couple days :)

http://jdolan.dyndns.org/jaydolan/files/jdolan.httpup






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From Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  8 08:20:53 2005
From: Nick.Steeves at shaw.ca (Nick Steeves)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:20:53 -0600
Subject: [clc-devel] Branched 2.0 ports, please start to tag ports for 2.1
In-Reply-To: <20050404084928.GB29659@narvik.tks6.lan>
References: <20050404084928.GB29659@narvik.tks6.lan>
Message-ID: <200504080220.53293.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>

Hi,

Is it necessary to start untagging CONTRIB-2_0 ports, or will the time for 
this be the day of the CRUX-2.1 release, or will CONTRIB-2_0 be stripped 
automatically?


Thanks,
Nick


From jw at tks6.net  Fri Apr  8 08:58:00 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:58:00 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Branched 2.0 ports, please start to tag ports for 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200504080220.53293.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
References: <20050404084928.GB29659@narvik.tks6.lan> <200504080220.53293.sten@digitalmercury.lb.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <20050408085800.GA766@titanium>

Hi,

On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:20:53 -0600, Nick Steeves wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is it necessary to start untagging CONTRIB-2_0 ports, or will the time for 
> this be the day of the CRUX-2.1 release, or will CONTRIB-2_0 be stripped 
> automatically?
I'd recommend to just leave the CONTRIB-2_0 tag on the last version
tested on CRUX 2.0. This way, users of CRUX 2.0 will at least get a
working version, even if it's outdated. So you can basically stop caring
about those 2.0 tags once you've settled with 2.1.

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
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Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From crux at morpheus.net  Fri Apr  8 19:32:42 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Fri,  8 Apr 2005 14:32:42 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] nautilus-test-view still exist
Message-ID: <20050408193246.06341657C32@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (72) has been created or modified:

Description:

--disable-test-view does not work correctly. I still got this test-view in nautilus.
My patch just deletes the non-needed files.

Thanks.

Remarks:



Contact: pazo at shiba dk
CLC User: jaeger
Status: fixed

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=72



From crux at morpheus.net  Fri Apr  8 19:32:55 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Fri,  8 Apr 2005 14:32:55 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] file-roller depends on nautilus
Message-ID: <20050408193259.9048F657C33@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (68) has been created or modified:

Description:

file-roller does not build without nautilus installed

Remarks:



Contact: apawlik at v-lo dot krakow dot pl
CLC User: jaeger
Status: fixed

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=68



From crux at morpheus.net  Fri Apr  8 19:43:35 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Fri,  8 Apr 2005 14:43:35 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] wrong librsvg dependencies
Message-ID: <20050408194337.B64AF657C59@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (67) has been created or modified:

Description:



Remarks:



Contact: apawlik at v-lo dot krakow dot pl
CLC User: jaeger
Status: fixed

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=67



From jw at tks6.net  Sat Apr  9 12:07:56 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:07:56 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Request: Stopping mirror service at berlios
Message-ID: <20050409120756.GA704@titanium>

Hi,

I'd like to stop the httpup mirroring service at berlios in order to
start using this host as a subversion ports server. I've written a sync
script which takes any input directory and sync's it with a subversion
working copy; this way, I plan to sync Per's CVSUp to the x86 branch in
CLC.

If you have objections to this step, please let me know. While having
mirrors would be a good idea, we need to think an easier way to
temporarily switch the ports source in case of a server outage, so I
don't think that switching the berlios httpup down would be a big issue
at this point in time.


If no one complains, I'll warn crux@ to make sure all users use morpheus
as httpup server.

Kind regards, Johannes

P.S. Sync script at http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/sync2svn
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From crux at morpheus.net  Sun Apr 10 11:29:51 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:29:51 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] zip: fails to download
Message-ID: <20050410112956.549AD731E3B@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (73) has been created or modified:

Description:



Remarks:



Contact: prologic at shortcircuit dot net dot au
CLC User: anonymous
Status: new

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=73



From crux at morpheus.net  Sun Apr 10 11:32:18 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:32:18 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] unzip: fails to download
Message-ID: <20050410113220.526D76F2FC6@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (74) has been created or modified:

Description:

unzip fails to download. The source and versions are out of date.

Change to 5.51 and 552

cheers
James

Remarks:



Contact: prologic at shortcircuit dot net dot au
CLC User: anonymous
Status: new

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=74



From crux at morpheus.net  Sun Apr 10 18:50:08 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:50:08 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] zip: fails to download
Message-ID: <20050410185010.B8947733B11@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (73) has been created or modified:

Description:



Remarks:

Please see remarks in
  http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=71

Contact: prologic at shortcircuit dot net dot au
CLC User: jw
Status: defer

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=73



From crux at morpheus.net  Sun Apr 10 18:50:24 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:50:24 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] unzip: fails to download
Message-ID: <20050410185026.A9793733B8D@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (74) has been created or modified:

Description:

unzip fails to download. The source and versions are out of date.

Change to 5.51 and 552

cheers
James

Remarks:

Please see remarks in
  http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=71

Contact: prologic at shortcircuit dot net dot au
CLC User: jw
Status: defer

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=74



From jw at tks6.net  Thu Apr 14 07:51:36 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:51:36 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Request: Stopping mirror service at berlios
In-Reply-To: <20050409120756.GA704@titanium>
References: <20050409120756.GA704@titanium>
Message-ID: <20050414075136.GA1800@titanium>

Hi,

On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 14:07:56 +0200, Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to stop the httpup mirroring service at berlios in order to
> start using this host as a subversion ports server. I've written a sync
> script which takes any input directory and sync's it with a subversion
> working copy; this way, I plan to sync Per's CVSUp to the x86 branch in
> CLC.
I guess that's fine with everyone, so I'll start cleaning berlios today.

> Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From jw at tks6.net  Thu Apr 14 12:25:05 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:25:05 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
Message-ID: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium>

Hi,

I've just enabled the crontab job to sync per's base and opt and our
contrib to the subversion repository at CLC. The repository can be
browsed here:
  http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/clc/x86/tags/CRUX-2_1/

Every change in Per's CVS HEAD and ports tagged as CONTRIB-2_1 should
appear there as well. Please complain if they don't (and if you care
about it ;-)). Note that the sync is once per hour only.

I also wrote a ports(8) driver for subversion, available at
  http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/svn.driver
Thanks Tilman for testing and suggestions. Finally, the "supfiles" for
your /etc/ports:
  http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/base.svn
  http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/opt.svn
  http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/contrib.svn

After installing those, ports -u will update from the subversion
repository, too. We'll need some more output filtering to make it look
just like subversion, but for now I couldn't care less :-).

If your svn repository requires username/password, set the 'USER' and
'PASS' variables in your "supfile":
    URL=https://some.host/svn/repos/ports/trunk
    COLLECTION=internal
    ROOT_DIR=/usr/ports/svn
    USER=joeuser
    PASS=secret

That said, I plan to test importing/merging the sparc tree against this
subversion tree soon, hopefully tomorrow, and will write a wiki page
describing all this.

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From crux at morpheus.net  Thu Apr 14 13:38:21 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:38:21 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] contrib/ncftp is updated to a newer version and the old removed.
Message-ID: <20050414133833.8DD251C24EED@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (76) has been created or modified:

Description:

ncftp-3.1.8 is replaced with ncftp-3.1.9 and the old version is removed from ftp, so port is NOT working at all right now.

Remarks:



Contact: mellow at home dot se
CLC User: anonymous
Status: new

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=76



From sip at varlock.com  Thu Apr 14 17:45:22 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:45:22 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium>
Message-ID: <425EAC32.8070205@varlock.com>

On 04/14/05 14:25 Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> I've just enabled the crontab job to sync per's base and opt and our
> contrib to the subversion repository at CLC. The repository can be
> browsed here:
>   http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/clc/x86/tags/CRUX-2_1/
> 
> Every change in Per's CVS HEAD and ports tagged as CONTRIB-2_1 should
> appear there as well. Please complain if they don't (and if you care
> about it ;-)). Note that the sync is once per hour only.
> 

I'm using it on my notebook and everything seems to work fine,
I really hope this tests would give a spin to a possible CVS->SVN
transition at CLC.
(although I suspect we'd have to hypnotize Per to make him love
the change)

> That said, I plan to test importing/merging the sparc tree against this
> subversion tree soon, hopefully tomorrow, and will write a wiki page
> describing all this.

Good. I'm working on a static (binary?) svn port, as stripped as
possible, as a cvsup counterpart for people who wants to
avoid installing the entire svn tools and deps.
Maybe with a new binary name; I like 'svnup' even if it's already
taken ( http://svnup.tigris.org/ )

Regards,
Simone

-- 
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Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 18:21:47 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414182147.21743.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Simone Rota <sip at varlock.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm using it on my notebook and everything seems to
> work fine,
> I really hope this tests would give a spin to a
> possible CVS->SVN
> transition at CLC.
> (although I suspect we'd have to hypnotize Per to
> make him love
> the change)
> 

That's easy.  Just lay him on his back and rub his
belly.  Long strokes.

> Good. I'm working on a static (binary?) svn port, as
> stripped as
> possible, as a cvsup counterpart for people who
> wants to
> avoid installing the entire svn tools and deps.
> Maybe with a new binary name; I like 'svnup' even if
> it's already
> taken ( http://svnup.tigris.org/ )
> 
> Regards,
> Simone
> 

cruxup?  clcup?  sipup?  :)

Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000


		
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From jw at tks6.net  Fri Apr 15 09:42:19 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:42:19 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <425EAC32.8070205@varlock.com>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium> <425EAC32.8070205@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <20050415094219.GC1758@titanium>

Hi,

On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 19:45:22 +0200, Simone Rota wrote:
> On 04/14/05 14:25 Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
> > Hi,
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > I've just enabled the crontab job to sync per's base and opt and our
> > contrib to the subversion repository at CLC. The repository can be
> > browsed here:
> >   http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/clc/x86/tags/CRUX-2_1/
> > 
> > Every change in Per's CVS HEAD and ports tagged as CONTRIB-2_1 should
> > appear there as well. Please complain if they don't (and if you care
> > about it ;-)). Note that the sync is once per hour only.
> > 
> 
> I'm using it on my notebook and everything seems to work fine,
Cool

> I really hope this tests would give a spin to a possible CVS->SVN
> transition at CLC.
> (although I suspect we'd have to hypnotize Per to make him love
> the change)
I think the transition only makes sense if we can merge between multiple
architectures/platforms. From my tests with xsvn, I got the impression
that this could be easily done. While I don't mean to push xsvn, I
imported it into berlios' subversion repository to allow you guys to
start playing with it:
  http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/clc/tools/xsvn/trunk/

In addition, I've started a page on all that, but I didn't really come
to a point where I could call it finished :-)
  http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/wiki?p=SubversionTestRepo


I think a solution with subversion would be quite good for us, since
it's certainly the most common OSS VCS with centralized repository; the
distributed cousins all lack a way to enforce a properly merged central
point to access a collection without having a dedicated patch monkey.
Given our requirements, this seems pretty important to me.

> > That said, I plan to test importing/merging the sparc tree against this
> > subversion tree soon, hopefully tomorrow, and will write a wiki page
> > describing all this.
> 
> Good. I'm working on a static (binary?) svn port, as stripped as
> possible, as a cvsup counterpart for people who wants to
> avoid installing the entire svn tools and deps.
Cool, that's great!

> Maybe with a new binary name; I like 'svnup' even if it's already
> taken ( http://svnup.tigris.org/ )
I really like Jay's 'sipup' :-). I don't think the name has to be
similar to cvsup. I think it would be a good idea to have a binary name
different than 'svn', to allow people to break they're svn ports (e.g.
by using release candidates etc) without breaking port updates. I'd even
go as far as to discourage users to use this binary for other svn
checkouts (even though a light client only version of subversion would
be a nice addition to the ports tree). 'svup' sounds friendly to me.

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From sip at varlock.com  Fri Apr 15 13:28:21 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:28:21 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <20050415094219.GC1758@titanium>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium> <425EAC32.8070205@varlock.com> <20050415094219.GC1758@titanium>
Message-ID: <425FC175.8000104@varlock.com>

On 04/15/05 11:42 Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
> I really like Jay's 'sipup' :-). I don't think the name has to be
> similar to cvsup. 

Well, we have httpup and cvsup, so svnup seemed the obvious
choice to me ;)

> I think it would be a good idea to have a binary name
> different than 'svn', to allow people to break they're svn ports (e.g.
> by using release candidates etc) without breaking port updates. I'd even
> go as far as to discourage users to use this binary for other svn
> checkouts (even though a light client only version of subversion would
> be a nice addition to the ports tree). 'svup' sounds friendly to me.

Yes, I'd also take an additional step and suggest people who already
have the standard svn installed to use the dedicated tool anyway for
port updates, this way:
- there's no need to detect what's installed within the ports driver
- standard tool == quicker identification of problems

The port is ready, do you prefer a binary port or a source
based one that uses the included libraries? (both produce
a statically linked* svup binary).

Regards,
Simone

* to a certain extent, since it requires a binary-compatible
glibc version for some calls (i.e. dlopen)

-- 
Simone Rota           WEB : http://www.varlock.com
Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From mo at obbl-net.de  Sat Apr 16 14:31:07 2005
From: mo at obbl-net.de (Opel Martin)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:31:07 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Phase out as maintainer...
Message-ID: <426121AB.5030708@obbl-net.de>

Hi there,

I have decided to quit beeing a CLC maintainer due to a lack of time. 
Please don't be angry, because I tagged lots of ports unmaintained 
shortly before the Crux 2.1 release, but I don't find the time to 
maintain them all.

I hope my ports find new maintainers. Of course I will stay a 
enthusiastic CRUX user :)

Bye!
Martin.

-- 
Martin Opel, mo at obbl-net dot de
Regensburg, Germany



From sip at varlock.com  Sat Apr 16 23:05:31 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:05:31 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
Message-ID: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>

Hi,

I've been working on the new CRUX/CLC site lately, here's some
screenshot of a working wikka setup:

http://www.varlock.com/tmp/wikka/

Questions time:

1. Ok, apart from Wilber which is a temp thing, do you like
the current style?
I've also worked on punbb integration (last image) since there's
been some request for a forum.

2. Regarding content, I've ported most of the documents on
the current CLC and CRUX websites, but there is more to do.
Should we setup a working temp site somewhere to fill
together the pages before we go live? (then we can transfer
the db to the actual site).

3. Integration
I briefly spoke with Johannes regarding the integration
of the a bug tracker into the website. Will we use cvstrac
for this? Other options?
Another question is the ports database page: I suppose
we should change it a bit to fit the new contrib (do we
still want to list the external httpup repos not in contrib?)

Comments, ideas and contributions are welcome as usual ;)

Regards,
Simone

-- 
Simone Rota           WEB : http://www.varlock.com
Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From jw at tks6.net  Sun Apr 17 09:18:55 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:18:55 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <20050417091855.GA1913@titanium>

Hi Simone,


On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 01:05:31 +0200, Simone Rota wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been working on the new CRUX/CLC site lately, here's some
> screenshot of a working wikka setup:
> 
> http://www.varlock.com/tmp/wikka/
> 
> Questions time:
> 
> 1. Ok, apart from Wilber which is a temp thing, do you like
> the current style?
I like it a lot!

> I've also worked on punbb integration (last image) since there's
> been some request for a forum.
I wouldn't go for a forum before any trusted person agrees to be forum
admin, and answers questions reliably. I wouldn't know who this could be
at the moment.

> 2. Regarding content, I've ported most of the documents on
> the current CLC and CRUX websites, but there is more to do.
> Should we setup a working temp site somewhere to fill
> together the pages before we go live? (then we can transfer
> the db to the actual site).
I think this would be great. I'd also like to see a list of things we'd
like to put there, and maybe some structuring thoughts before we even
start.

Also, I'd like to suggest that we think about subprojects (webpage,
ports, tools etc.) first/now, just to make sure no one feels bad for not
being involved. Also, I'd like to see a single responsible person for
the website, which can take a decision if it has to be.
Finally, I'd also suggest that we try to find motivated contributors
which join the "web" subproject, in order to have them aboard already
now. Thoughts?


> 3. Integration
> I briefly spoke with Johannes regarding the integration
> of the a bug tracker into the website. Will we use cvstrac
> for this? Other options?
What's really cool about CVSTrac is the reporting based on cvs commit
messages (think: security), even though this lost a bit of importance
now that we have the security warnings via e-mail.

(Light) alternatives could be:
  http://www.mantisbt.org/
  http://flyspray.rocks.cc/?p=Main_Page

Or trac http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ which has Subversion support :-)

> Another question is the ports database page: I suppose
> we should change it a bit to fit the new contrib (do we
> still want to list the external httpup repos not in contrib?)
I spoke with Till about moving his ports db to the (future?) CRUX/CLC
server. I think some *SQL based system would make a lot of sense.

Also, we could consider setting up a CVS/SVN/whatever repository for
such "tools" projects, to allow more than just one person to contribute
(this also applies to many other projects).


Anyway, thanks for your work so far!
Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From danielw at netspace.net.au  Sun Apr 17 09:29:05 2005
From: danielw at netspace.net.au (Daniel Walpole)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:29:05 +1000
Subject: [clc-devel] Phase out as maintainer...
In-Reply-To: <426121AB.5030708@obbl-net.de>
References: <426121AB.5030708@obbl-net.de>
Message-ID: <42622C61.2050605@netspace.net.au>

No problems,

I'll have a look at some of your ports during the next few days to see 
if there are any I want to maintain.

Good luck!

-DW


From jw at tks6.net  Sun Apr 17 12:12:49 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:12:49 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Phase out as maintainer...
In-Reply-To: <426121AB.5030708@obbl-net.de>
References: <426121AB.5030708@obbl-net.de>
Message-ID: <20050417121249.GB1913@titanium>

Hi Martin,

On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 16:31:07 +0200, Opel Martin wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have decided to quit beeing a CLC maintainer due to a lack of time. 
> Please don't be angry [...]
There's no reason to be angry. You've contributed a lot to CLC, most
notably the maintenance of the clc server at fh-regensburg, and maybe
even more important (if not that visible) the CVS concept.
It's certainly sad to see you leave, but perfectly understandable.
Therefore, I'd just like to thank you very much for the time and
work you put into CLC, and wish you all the best for your future.

Obviously, if at any point in time you or your kids want to join CLC
(again), you know how you can reach us!

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From jue at jue.li  Sun Apr 17 16:48:50 2005
From: jue at jue.li (Juergen Daubert)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:48:50 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <20050417164850.GA31057@jue.netz>

On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 01:05:31AM +0200, Simone Rota wrote:
> Hi,

Hello Simone,

> I've been working on the new CRUX/CLC site lately, here's some
> screenshot of a working wikka setup:
> 
> http://www.varlock.com/tmp/wikka/
> 
> Questions time:
> 
> 1. Ok, apart from Wilber which is a temp thing, do you like
> the current style?

Yep, looks very nice.

> I've also worked on punbb integration (last image) since there's
> been some request for a forum.

To be honest, I don't like forums.

> 2. Regarding content, I've ported most of the documents on
> the current CLC and CRUX websites, but there is more to do.
> Should we setup a working temp site somewhere to fill
> together the pages before we go live? (then we can transfer
> the db to the actual site).
> 
> 3. Integration
> I briefly spoke with Johannes regarding the integration
> of the a bug tracker into the website. Will we use cvstrac
> for this? Other options?

As long as we are using cvs as our RCS, I'd suggest so, because
of the tight integration of cvs. For free we get an cvs browser
and a nice timeline and the possibily to link commits to tickets.

> Another question is the ports database page: I suppose
> we should change it a bit to fit the new contrib (do we
> still want to list the external httpup repos not in contrib?)
> 
> Comments, ideas and contributions are welcome as usual ;)

If I can help with something, please let me know.

Greetings
J?rgen


-- 
Juergen Daubert  |  mailto:jue at jue.li  
Korb, Germany    |  http://jue.li/crux



From sip at varlock.com  Sun Apr 17 21:16:46 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:16:46 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <20050417091855.GA1913@titanium>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com> <20050417091855.GA1913@titanium>
Message-ID: <4262D23E.2050207@varlock.com>

On 04/17/05 11:18 Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
Hi,

> I wouldn't go for a forum before any trusted person agrees to be forum
> admin, and answers questions reliably. I wouldn't know who this could be
> at the moment.

Hehe, nobody here is a great fan of forums (me neither); we'll leave
it out for now.

>>Should we setup a working temp site somewhere to fill
>>together the pages before we go live? (then we can transfer
>>the db to the actual site).
> 
> I think this would be great. I'd also like to see a list of things we'd
> like to put there, and maybe some structuring thoughts before we even
> start.

Since I believe it's good to have something to work on as discussions
take place, I've setup a temp site; CLC members interested can send me
a mail and I'll create an account and communicate the
url / username / password.
If there is general opposition against having a temporary site online
at this point, I have no problem taking it off.

> Also, I'd like to suggest that we think about subprojects (webpage,
> ports, tools etc.) first/now, just to make sure no one feels bad for not
> being involved. Also, I'd like to see a single responsible person for
> the website, which can take a decision if it has to be.

I think these subproject entities we're talking about can be divided
into two groups:

- already existing projects that so far has been developed more or
  less inside CLC, many times with no real plan or coordination ;)

- external projects that has no or little relation with CLC
  (here I also include prjects not yet started)

If I understand well some of our objectives would be to achieve
better coordination and major partecipation to the first group,
and offer some service (web/wiki, access to cvs repository) to the
second one.

To make a long story short, I think we fist need a list of services
we can provide to subprojects, then identify and recruit for projects of
group one, and finally publicize what we have for other project to join.

> Finally, I'd also suggest that we try to find motivated contributors
> which join the "web" subproject, in order to have them aboard already
> now. Thoughts?

Yes, this is one of the first steps we should take.

>>Will we use cvstrac
>>for this? Other options?
> 
> What's really cool about CVSTrac is the reporting based on cvs commit
> messages (think: security), even though this lost a bit of importance
> now that we have the security warnings via e-mail.

As Juergen suggests on this thread I think it's a good move to
continue using cvstrac, since it has worked so well so far.
This way we can concentrate on other things at the moment
since there's a lot of other stuff going on ;)

> I spoke with Till about moving his ports db to the (future?) CRUX/CLC
> server. I think some *SQL based system would make a lot of sense.
> 
> Also, we could consider setting up a CVS/SVN/whatever repository for
> such "tools" projects, to allow more than just one person to contribute
> (this also applies to many other projects).

Agree; as I wrote before once we know the services we can provide and
the subprojects, than we're ready to go.

So if someone has some spare time, a portdb that can be integrated
into the website is a good candidate for a subproject.

Regards,
Simone

-- 
Simone Rota           WEB : http://www.varlock.com
Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From tillbiedermann at yahoo.de  Sun Apr 17 22:08:02 2005
From: tillbiedermann at yahoo.de (Till Biedermann)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:08:02 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <4262DE42.5060901@yahoo.de>

Hi,

Simone Rota wrote:
> 1. Ok, apart from Wilber which is a temp thing, do you like
> the current style?
 >

Looks very good.


> Another question is the ports database page: I suppose
> we should change it a bit to fit the new contrib (do we
> still want to list the external httpup repos not in contrib?)
> 

I suggest to keep the external httpups in the portdb - so there is a 
central overview for every port avalible for CRUX.


Johannes Winkelmann wrote:
 > I spoke with Till about moving his ports db to the (future?) CRUX/CLC
 > server. I think some *SQL based system would make a lot of sense.
 >

I will start this week with adapting my database to integrate into the wiki.


Regards Till



-- 
http://www.tbmnet.de




From jaeger at morpheus.net  Mon Apr 18 14:25:50 2005
From: jaeger at morpheus.net (Matt Housh)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:25:50 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <1113834350.10446.12.camel@charon.frc.utulsa.edu>

On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 01:05 +0200, Simone Rota wrote:
> 1. Ok, apart from Wilber which is a temp thing, do you like
> the current style?
> I've also worked on punbb integration (last image) since there's
> been some request for a forum.

I like it, looks very nice. As far as the forum is concerned, I don't
care one way or another. In my opinion it's just a matter of
presentation. After all, we have mailing list archives, which would
provide the same access to past information, just in a different format.
I can go either way.

Since the ML works well and the consensus seems to be anti-forum, we
might as well stick with the current setup there.

> 2. Regarding content, I've ported most of the documents on
> the current CLC and CRUX websites, but there is more to do.
> Should we setup a working temp site somewhere to fill
> together the pages before we go live? (then we can transfer
> the db to the actual site).

Seems reasonable. I also like the subproject idea, probably needs a fair
bit of planning.

> 3. Integration
> I briefly spoke with Johannes regarding the integration
> of the a bug tracker into the website. Will we use cvstrac
> for this? Other options?

I like cvstrac and we're all used to it. Might as well keep using it.
It's easy to move, certainly, since it's mostly contained in an sqlite
db. The only alternative that really catches my eye is trac, since it
supports subversion, but cvstrac will do if we don't go that route. Trac
has some annoying dependencies, if I recall correctly.

> Another question is the ports database page: I suppose
> we should change it a bit to fit the new contrib (do we
> still want to list the external httpup repos not in contrib?)

Whether we use Till's or not (which seems nice, I've no objections to
it), it would be nice to adapt it to sql or something since there's
quite a bit of disk searching involved right now.

If there are external repos that don't go into contrib, perhaps it's
best not to list them on the CLC pages. After all, isn't part of the
point of the new contrib to sort of centralize and list everything? That
would be something like a new unmaintained or a second contrib outside
of contrib... Perhaps it could be argued that maybe subprojects are
needed there as well, like gnome or mythtv or xfce4 or kde ports, etc.,
but perhaps they'd be better of listed only in their subproject pages,
if we go that route.

Matt (jaeger at freenode/#crux)

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From sip at varlock.com  Mon Apr 18 15:24:12 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:24:12 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <1113834350.10446.12.camel@charon.frc.utulsa.edu>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com> <1113834350.10446.12.camel@charon.frc.utulsa.edu>
Message-ID: <4263D11C.9020908@varlock.com>

On 04/18/05 16:25 Matt Housh wrote:
>>3. Integration
>>I briefly spoke with Johannes regarding the integration
>>of the a bug tracker into the website. Will we use cvstrac
>>for this? Other options?
> 
> I like cvstrac and we're all used to it. Might as well keep using it.
> It's easy to move, certainly, since it's mostly contained in an sqlite
> db. The only alternative that really catches my eye is trac, since it
> supports subversion, but cvstrac will do if we don't go that route. Trac
> has some annoying dependencies, if I recall correctly.

Regarding cvstrac, I think I managed to integrate it pretty well
into the new website:

http://www.varlock.com/tmp/wikka/05_cvstrac0.png
http://www.varlock.com/tmp/wikka/06_cvstrac1.png
http://www.varlock.com/tmp/wikka/07_cvstrac2.png

(well, apart from the light blue that I'll have to change
one day or another ;))

>>Another question is the ports database page: I suppose
>>we should change it a bit to fit the new contrib (do we
>>still want to list the external httpup repos not in contrib?)
> 
> If there are external repos that don't go into contrib, perhaps it's
> best not to list them on the CLC pages. After all, isn't part of the
> point of the new contrib to sort of centralize and list everything? That
> would be something like a new unmaintained or a second contrib outside
> of contrib... 

I prefer to only list the opt / base / contrib ports too. But this way
we could "loose" ports from people not interested in partecipating
to the new contrib. I'm perfectly ok with it, but just in case we can
consider a dedicated (wiki?) page listing just the urls of additional
repos, to show that there's life outside clc/crux :)

> Perhaps it could be argued that maybe subprojects are
> needed there as well, like gnome or mythtv or xfce4 or kde ports, etc.,
> but perhaps they'd be better of listed only in their subproject pages,
> if we go that route.

I'm for the dedicated page approach; additionally,
since there's the optional "group" tag into the clc Pkgfile header,
this could be used for selecting a group of related ports. Just a
combo-box away.

-- 
Simone Rota           WEB : http://www.varlock.com
Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From tillbiedermann at yahoo.de  Mon Apr 18 17:04:41 2005
From: tillbiedermann at yahoo.de (Till Biedermann)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:04:41 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <4263D11C.9020908@varlock.com>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com> <1113834350.10446.12.camel@charon.frc.utulsa.edu> <4263D11C.9020908@varlock.com>
Message-ID: <4263E8A9.5030309@yahoo.de>


Simone Rota wrote:
> I prefer to only list the opt / base / contrib ports too. But this way
> we could "loose" ports from people not interested in partecipating
> to the new contrib. I'm perfectly ok with it, but just in case we can
> consider a dedicated (wiki?) page listing just the urls of additional
> repos, to show that there's life outside clc/crux :)
> 
> 

The advantage of including all httpups in the database is that you have 
one point where you can search for ports in the whole CRUX-universe.

I suggest something like a checkbox "exclude httpups" in the search 
mask. Or favoring CLC-ports in the search result list.

I agree with the idea that the portdb on the CRUX/CLC website should 
only list CRUX/CLC ports. But from the point of view of an average user 
it is annoying to have two databases or actually none for httpups.



Regards Till


-- 
http://www.tbmnet.de




From sip at varlock.com  Mon Apr 18 17:17:49 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:17:49 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: <4263E8A9.5030309@yahoo.de>
References: <42619A3B.1010303@varlock.com> <1113834350.10446.12.camel@charon.frc.utulsa.edu> <4263D11C.9020908@varlock.com> <4263E8A9.5030309@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <4263EBBD.4080400@varlock.com>

On 04/18/05 19:04 Till Biedermann wrote:
> The advantage of including all httpups in the database is that you have
> one point where you can search for ports in the whole CRUX-universe.

yes, this is also true.

> I suggest something like a checkbox "exclude httpups" in the search
> mask. Or favoring CLC-ports in the search result list.

Good idea, I suggest presenting the feature as an "also include external
repositories" checkbox, maybe disabled by default.

> I agree with the idea that the portdb on the CRUX/CLC website should
> only list CRUX/CLC ports. But from the point of view of an average user
> it is annoying to have two databases or actually none for httpups.

If including external repos gains general consensus, I think we'd then
need a cron job that fills the sql database from both the local and
remote sites. I say this not to go into iplementation details, but to
highlight the fact that the sql source should be unique.

While I don't think I'll personally have much use for external
repos, it's ok for me to include them as well.
The only negative aspect I'd like to highlight is that this could
encourage "lazy" maintainers not to join the new contrib, with all the
unpleasant consequences we have now (many dup ports, incompatibilities,
etc.)


-- 
Simone Rota           WEB : http://www.varlock.com
Bergamo, Italy        MAIL: sip at varlock.com


From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 18:28:33 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:28:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] CRUX/CLC website proposal
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050418182833.46898.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Till Biedermann <tillbiedermann at yahoo.de> wrote:
> The advantage of including all httpups in the
> database is that you have 
> one point where you can search for ports in the
> whole CRUX-universe.
> 
> I suggest something like a checkbox "exclude
> httpups" in the search 
> mask. Or favoring CLC-ports in the search result
> list.
> 
> I agree with the idea that the portdb on the
> CRUX/CLC website should 
> only list CRUX/CLC ports. But from the point of view
> of an average user 
> it is annoying to have two databases or actually
> none for httpups.
> 

Hi all.  I'm sorry I've been relatively quiet
throughout this discussion.  Sip, I *really* like what
you've done so far.  It's excellent.

In regards to the forum, my opinion is rather neutral.
 It would not bother me if we had one, unless it
detracted from the ML and/or caused
confusion/redundancy.

With respect to subprojects, I would like to see all
of our one-off tools bear a project page on the
portal.  Imo, this includes things like prt-get, yapo,
prt-utils, pkgsync, et al.  If we are going to promote
subproject development, it only makes sense to put our
current subprojects into this same place.  It would
present a more unified vision to users.

As far as [a rewritten] portdb is concerned, I think
this would be a good time to talk about creating a
common c library for manipulating ports and packages. 
We spoke briefly about this at CC2K4, but I don't know
if any progress has been made since.  Pkgutils,
prt-get, and others could greatly benefit from such a
library.  It would also allow other projects, like a
new portdb, to be developed rapidly.  I would be
interested in contributing to an effort to produce this.

Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000


	
		
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From sip at varlock.com  Mon Apr 18 22:17:17 2005
From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:17:17 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Phase out as maintainer...
In-Reply-To: <426121AB.5030708@obbl-net.de>
References: <426121AB.5030708@obbl-net.de>
Message-ID: <426431ED.7070401@varlock.com>

On 04/16/05 16:31 Opel Martin wrote:
> Hi there,

Hi Martin,

> I have decided to quit beeing a CLC maintainer due to a lack of time.
> Please don't be angry, because I tagged lots of ports unmaintained
> shortly before the Crux 2.1 release, but I don't find the time to
> maintain them all.

Thank you very much for your foundamental contributions during
these years.

But hey, you can stop maintaining ports for CLC, but the 'CLC
maintainer' status is something you achieved with sweat and blood
and will stay with you for the rest of your life :-)

Best wishes for the future, drop us a mail from time to time,
possibly _NOT_ bug fixing requests ;)

Regards,
Simone

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From tilman at code-monkey.de  Tue Apr 19 11:15:35 2005
From: tilman at code-monkey.de (Tilman Sauerbeck)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:15:35 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium>
Message-ID: <20050419111535.GA10711@code-monkey.de>

Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> [2005-04-14 14:25]:
> I also wrote a ports(8) driver for subversion, available at
>   http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/svn.driver

Why do we need to specify $COLLECTION in the blah.svn file?
Why not do it the same way httpup handles it (basename of the ports file
minus the extension)?

-- 
Regards,
Tilman


From tilman at code-monkey.de  Tue Apr 19 11:52:49 2005
From: tilman at code-monkey.de (Tilman Sauerbeck)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:52:49 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium>
Message-ID: <20050419115249.GA10914@code-monkey.de>

Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> [2005-04-14 14:25]:
> I also wrote a ports(8) driver for subversion, available at
>   http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/svn.driver

- echo "$ROOT_DIR/$COLLECTION is not a subversion; deleting"
+ echo "$ROOT_DIR/$COLLECTION is not a subversion repository; deleting"

:)

-- 
Regards,
Tilman


From jw at tks6.net  Tue Apr 19 12:01:16 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:01:16 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <20050419111535.GA10711@code-monkey.de>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium> <20050419111535.GA10711@code-monkey.de>
Message-ID: <20050419120116.GA3408@titanium>

Hi,

On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 13:15:35 +0200, Tilman Sauerbeck wrote:
> Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> [2005-04-14 14:25]:
> > I also wrote a ports(8) driver for subversion, available at
> >   http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/svn.driver
> 
> Why do we need to specify $COLLECTION in the blah.svn file?  Why not
> do it the same way httpup handles it (basename of the ports file minus
> the extension)?
We could certainly do that, even though httpup doesn't consider the
filename but just the ROOT_URL. Basically, the format isn't cast in
stone anyway, since I'd consider extending it to allow synchronisation
of mulitple collections (much like cvsup does). It seemed that a little
redundancy wouldn't hurt, but I'm not attached to the current format at
all :-).

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From jw at tks6.net  Tue Apr 19 12:03:06 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:03:06 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <20050419115249.GA10914@code-monkey.de>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium> <20050419115249.GA10914@code-monkey.de>
Message-ID: <20050419120306.GB3408@titanium>

Hey,

On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 13:52:49 +0200, Tilman Sauerbeck wrote:
> Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> [2005-04-14 14:25]:
> > I also wrote a ports(8) driver for subversion, available at
> >   http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/svn.driver
> 
> - echo "$ROOT_DIR/$COLLECTION is not a subversion; deleting"
> + echo "$ROOT_DIR/$COLLECTION is not a subversion repository; deleting"
s/repository/working copy/g ;-)

Updated now, thanks!
Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From tilman at code-monkey.de  Tue Apr 19 12:03:53 2005
From: tilman at code-monkey.de (Tilman Sauerbeck)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:03:53 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: <20050419120116.GA3408@titanium>
References: <20050414122505.GA16812@titanium> <20050419111535.GA10711@code-monkey.de> <20050419120116.GA3408@titanium>
Message-ID: <20050419120353.GA10959@code-monkey.de>

Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> [2005-04-19 14:01]:
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 13:15:35 +0200, Tilman Sauerbeck wrote:
> > Johannes Winkelmann <jw at tks6.net> [2005-04-14 14:25]:
> > > I also wrote a ports(8) driver for subversion, available at
> > >   http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/svn.driver
> > 
> > Why do we need to specify $COLLECTION in the blah.svn file?  Why not
> > do it the same way httpup handles it (basename of the ports file minus
> > the extension)?
> We could certainly do that, even though httpup doesn't consider the
> filename but just the ROOT_URL. Basically, the format isn't cast in
> stone anyway, since I'd consider extending it to allow synchronisation
> of mulitple collections (much like cvsup does). It seemed that a little
> redundancy wouldn't hurt, but I'm not attached to the current format at
> all :-).

I see, thanks for the clarification.

-- 
Regards,
Tilman


From jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 14:38:08 2005
From: jasonthomasdolan at yahoo.com (Jay Dolan)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clc-devel] Subversion test repo at clc.berlios.de
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050420143808.99094.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Tilman Sauerbeck <tilman at code-monkey.de> wrote:

> > > Why do we need to specify $COLLECTION in the
> blah.svn file?  Why not
> > > do it the same way httpup handles it (basename
> of the ports file minus
> > > the extension)?

When first writing prtsync, I specified the addition
of COLLECTION in .httpup files, but later removed
support for it for this same reason you mention.  It
is rather unnecessary, and leaves room for a little
confusion: e.g. "Okay, something's wrong with
collection x.. now which driver file is that
collection defined in?"

Jay Dolan
Software Engineer, Systems Analyst
Windmill Cycles, Inc.
508.999.4000

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From jw at tks6.net  Mon Apr 25 20:37:33 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:37:33 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] howto documentation
Message-ID: <20050425203733.GA10395@titanium>

I just created a page for howtos at 
  http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/wiki?p=HowTos

Currently, there's only a PAM howto there, but I'd like to see more
coming there (the udev doc for example). So please feel free to add some
content there, to make sure we don't forget about this for the new
webpage :-).

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From crux at morpheus.net  Fri Apr 29 09:41:31 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:41:31 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] mjpegtools fails compilation
Message-ID: <20050429094134.D0D366EE14E@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (82) has been created or modified:

Description:



Remarks:



Contact: skodela at skodela dot co dot uk
CLC User: anonymous
Status: new

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=82



From crux at morpheus.net  Fri Apr 29 11:25:42 2005
From: crux at morpheus.net (crux at morpheus.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:25:42 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] [CLC Ticket Notification] Updated version for centericq
Message-ID: <20050429112553.DF76C6EE8A5@dream.morpheus.net>

Assigned to [clc-devel at lists.berlios.de]

The following CLC ticket (64) has been created or modified:

Description:

I have a new port for centericq. A u to date version can be found at
http://www.strcat.de/crux/ports/

Remarks:



Contact: strcat at gmx dot net
CLC User: vector
Status: fixed

URL:
	http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/tktview?tn=64



From jw at tks6.net  Fri Apr 29 15:12:22 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:12:22 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Roadmap
Message-ID: <20050429151222.GD2412@titanium>

Hi,

I think it's time that we try to come up with a roadmap for the time
ahead. There are numerous thing which have been prepared and should be
finalized sometimes in the future. The most important ones that come to
mind are:

1. New server
2. Structure of the CRUX/CLC project
3. Webpage move/merge (new ports db); things currently missing
4. Short revision control tool discussion (also WRT multiple archs)
5. CVS merge contrib -> opt; core group
6. New contrib collection

Less pressing, but also important:
- mailing list concept
- Introducing subprojects
- recruit contributors for subprojects
  - webpage
  - ports
  - tools (self developed stuff)
  - docs
  - installer ?
- Better responsibilities (kinda goes hand in hand with subprojects)
- non-x86 arch handling

I added "better responsibilities" since there are certain things which
should IMO be defined; e.g. I updated the httpup repos to 2.1, or
created the CVS branch for 2.0; both just because I felt it should be
done now, and no one else had done it so far (and in the case of httpup
people started to wonder...). I don't mind doing those things (also in
the future), but I think having a person explicitely in charge would
give at least me a better feeling. 


I'm not sure whether we should organize some IRC/Skype/whatever-meeting
or discuss this in the mailing list, but I feel that we should just do
it sometimes soon, since there are people actively working on some of
these things and I feel bad myself about not providing them more help.
So if you have a moment, please take the time to think about the above,
and how/whether you'd like to discuss this. Comments appreciated, but
not required :-).

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net


From jasghar at a-ls.com  Fri Apr 29 20:04:48 2005
From: jasghar at a-ls.com (Jonathan Asghar)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:04:48 -0500
Subject: [clc-devel] Roadmap
In-Reply-To: <20050429151222.GD2412@titanium>
References: <20050429151222.GD2412@titanium>
Message-ID: <925a8204f0cebd63ba35090eb0949656@a-ls.com>

hello all.
	first off i'd like to say hello and thank you for per for making crux. 
  I'm a new reader of the list, but long user of crux and am excited to 
help the project.  I read the email that Johannes has sent out  and 
thought i might put my "newbie" view to the roadmap.
	1. New Server
		- can i ask why? is clc.morpheus.net not sufficient?
	2. Structure of the CRUX/CLC project
		- what is the structure now? is there a good communication between 
the hierarchy?
	3. Webpage move/merge (new ports db); things currently missing
		- is there a dedicated wiki/webmaster that is supposed to take care 
of it?
	5. CVS merge contrib -> opt; core group
		- does that mean to actually convert it into one directory?
	6. New contrib collection
		- what can be considered something to add to the new contrib and how 
does that differ than opt?

	sorry if that seems kinda basic but i figure what a better place to 
ask.  just my two cents.
	thanks again guys.
		-J


On Apr 29, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Johannes Winkelmann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think it's time that we try to come up with a roadmap for the time
> ahead. There are numerous thing which have been prepared and should be
> finalized sometimes in the future. The most important ones that come to
> mind are:
>
> 1. New server
> 2. Structure of the CRUX/CLC project
> 3. Webpage move/merge (new ports db); things currently missing
> 4. Short revision control tool discussion (also WRT multiple archs)
> 5. CVS merge contrib -> opt; core group
> 6. New contrib collection
>
> Less pressing, but also important:
> - mailing list concept
> - Introducing subprojects
> - recruit contributors for subprojects
>   - webpage
>   - ports
>   - tools (self developed stuff)
>   - docs
>   - installer ?
> - Better responsibilities (kinda goes hand in hand with subprojects)
> - non-x86 arch handling
>
> I added "better responsibilities" since there are certain things which
> should IMO be defined; e.g. I updated the httpup repos to 2.1, or
> created the CVS branch for 2.0; both just because I felt it should be
> done now, and no one else had done it so far (and in the case of httpup
> people started to wonder...). I don't mind doing those things (also in
> the future), but I think having a person explicitely in charge would
> give at least me a better feeling.
>
>
> I'm not sure whether we should organize some IRC/Skype/whatever-meeting
> or discuss this in the mailing list, but I feel that we should just do
> it sometimes soon, since there are people actively working on some of
> these things and I feel bad myself about not providing them more help.
> So if you have a moment, please take the time to think about the above,
> and how/whether you'd like to discuss this. Comments appreciated, but
> not required :-).
>
> Kind regards, Johannes
> -- 
> Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
> Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net
> _______________________________________________
> clc-devel mailing list
> clc-devel at lists.berlios.de
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From jw at tks6.net  Fri Apr 29 22:48:49 2005
From: jw at tks6.net (Johannes Winkelmann)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:48:49 +0200
Subject: [clc-devel] Roadmap
In-Reply-To: <925a8204f0cebd63ba35090eb0949656@a-ls.com>
References: <20050429151222.GD2412@titanium> <925a8204f0cebd63ba35090eb0949656@a-ls.com>
Message-ID: <20050429224849.GA20968@titanium>

Hy Jonathan,

On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 15:04:48 -0500, Jonathan Asghar wrote:
> 
> hello all.
> first off i'd like to say hello and thank you for per for making crux.
Welcome and thanks for the nice words!

> I'm a new reader of the list, but long user of crux and am excited to
> help the project. I read the email that Johannes has sent out and
> thought i might put my "newbie" view to the roadmap.
> 	1. New Server
> 		- can i ask why? is clc.morpheus.net not sufficient?
Well, morpheus.net was never really meant as a permanent solution, even
though it's been a great temporary one. The idea is to merge the
webpages of crux and clc to avoid further confusion for the users; a
common webpage will allow to point users to a single URL for both crux
(the core) and the additional stuff we do at CLC.

> 	2. Structure of the CRUX/CLC project
> 		- what is the structure now? is there a good communication 
> 		between the hierarchy?
Currently, CLC is a completely separate project (own webpage, own
CVS etc.) so a structure is yet to be defined. Regarding communication: I
think it's working fine, with the issues all public projects of a
certain size face: timezone differences, (non-crux)work load and so on.


> 	3. Webpage move/merge (new ports db); things currently missing
> 		- is there a dedicated wiki/webmaster that is supposed to 
> 		take care of it?
Might be a good idea; Simone is currently running some test (you can
find more info on this in the mailing list archive).


> 	5. CVS merge contrib -> opt; core group
> 		- does that mean to actually convert it into one directory?
That's the plan, yes

> 	6. New contrib collection
> 		- what can be considered something to add to the new contrib 
> 		and how does that differ than opt?
the new contrib will be a merged collection of httpup repositories,
maintained by our users. There's quite a lot on that in the archives of
this list, too:
  https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/clc-devel/2004-September/000601.html
should give you an idea of the concept ('people' there refers to the new
contrib collection).

> 	sorry if that seems kinda basic but i figure what a better place to 
> ask.  just my two cents.
I hope I could make some things clearer :-)

Kind regards, Johannes
-- 
Johannes Winkelmann              mailto:jw at tks6.net
Bern, Switzerland                http://jw.tks6.net