From Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com Mon Dec 8 18:45:47 2008 From: Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com (Falk Hamann) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:45:47 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] libpcre and libgmp duplicated in crux-2.5 core/opt Message-ID: <493D6B5B.3030704@dbaudio.com> Hi, The above ports are in crux-2.5/core and crux-2.5/opt. Maybe, they shouldn't be needed twice. ;-) -- Falk Hamann, IT T +49-7191-9669-242, F +49-7191-9669-6242, Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com www.dbaudio.com d&b audiotechnik GmbH, Eugen-Adolff-Str. 134, 71522 Backnang, Germany Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Frank Bothe, Markus Strohmeier Finanzen: Kay Lange; Marketing: Simon Johnston; Vertrieb: Peter Tongue Sitz: Backnang; Amtsgericht - Registergericht - Stuttgart, HRB 725789 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 4833 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From sepen at users.sourceforge.net Mon Dec 8 19:05:13 2008 From: sepen at users.sourceforge.net (Jose V Beneyto) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:05:13 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] libpcre and libgmp duplicated in crux-2.5 core/opt In-Reply-To: <493D6B5B.3030704@dbaudio.com> References: <493D6B5B.3030704@dbaudio.com> Message-ID: <493D6FE9.30003@users.sourceforge.net> Hi, Falk Hamann wrote: > Hi, > > The above ports are in crux-2.5/core and crux-2.5/opt. > Maybe, they shouldn't be needed twice. ;-) yep, I suppose that were git-merged automatically to opt-2.5 there are no differences between these ports so I'm agree to remove it from opt-2.5 $ repodiff core opt diff -ru -x .checkouts /usr/ports/core/libgmp/Pkgfile /usr/ports/opt/libgmp/Pkgfile --- /usr/ports/core/libgmp/Pkgfile 2008-12-03 00:14:58.781407703 +0100 +++ /usr/ports/opt/libgmp/Pkgfile 2008-12-03 00:15:03.657655298 +0100 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ # Description: Free library for arbitrary precision arithmetic # URL: http://gmplib.org/ -# Maintainer: CRUX System Team, core-ports at crux dot nu +# Maintainer: Juergen Daubert, juergen dot daubert at t-online dot de name=libgmp version=4.2.4 diff -ru -x .checkouts /usr/ports/core/libpcre/Pkgfile /usr/ports/opt/libpcre/Pkgfile --- /usr/ports/core/libpcre/Pkgfile 2008-12-03 00:14:58.781407703 +0100 +++ /usr/ports/opt/libpcre/Pkgfile 2008-12-03 00:15:03.689657213 +0100 @@ -1,6 +1,7 @@ # Description: Perl Compatible Regular Expressions -# URL: http://www.pcre.org -# Maintainer: CRUX System Team, core-ports at crux dot nu +# URL: http://www.pcre.org +# Maintainer: Simon Glo?ner, viper at hometux dot de +# Packager: Han Boetes, han at mijncomputer dot nl name=libpcre version=7.8 @@ -10,10 +11,11 @@ build() { cd pcre-$version - ./configure --prefix=/usr \ - --mandir=/usr/man \ - --enable-utf8 \ - --enable-unicode-properties + ./configure \ + --prefix=/usr \ + --mandir=/usr/man \ + --enable-utf8 \ + --enable-unicode-properties make make DESTDIR=$PKG install Regards, Jose V Beneyto From jue at jue.li Mon Dec 8 20:52:16 2008 From: jue at jue.li (Juergen Daubert) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:52:16 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] libpcre and libgmp duplicated in crux-2.5 core/opt In-Reply-To: <493D6B5B.3030704@dbaudio.com> References: <493D6B5B.3030704@dbaudio.com> Message-ID: <20081208205216.GA14120@jue.netz> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 07:45:47PM +0100, Falk Hamann wrote: > Hi, Hi Falk, > The above ports are in crux-2.5/core and crux-2.5/opt. > Maybe, they shouldn't be needed twice. ;-) Right, forgot to remove them. Thanks Juergen -- Juergen Daubert | mailto:jue at jue.li Korb, Germany | http://jue.li/crux From Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com Tue Dec 9 18:22:51 2008 From: Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com (Falk Hamann) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:22:51 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] CRUX-2.5: net-snmp footprint-mismatch Message-ID: <493EB77B.20904@dbaudio.com> new perl-version in CRUX-2.5 =======> ERROR: Footprint mismatch found: NEW drwxr-xr-x root/root usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/ NEW drwxr-xr-x root/root usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/linux/ MISSING drwxr-xr-x root/root usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/ MISSING drwxr-xr-x root/root usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/linux/ MISSING drwxr-xr-x root/root usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/linux/NetSNMP/ MISSING -r--r--r-- root/root usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/linux/NetSNMP/ASN.pm MISSING -r--r--r-- root/root usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/linux/NetSNMP/OID.pm MISSING -r--r--r-- root/root usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/linux/NetSNMP/TrapReceiver.pm MISSING -r--r--r-- root/root 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sepen at users.sourceforge.net Tue Dec 9 19:10:29 2008 From: sepen at users.sourceforge.net (Jose V Beneyto) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:10:29 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] CRUX-2.5: net-snmp footprint-mismatch In-Reply-To: <493EB77B.20904@dbaudio.com> References: <493EB77B.20904@dbaudio.com> Message-ID: <493EC2A5.8070209@users.sourceforge.net> Falk Hamann wrote: > new perl-version in CRUX-2.5 > [...] also python and maybe others http://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux-devel/2008-October/003770.html Regards, Jose V Beneyto From tilman at crux.nu Tue Dec 9 19:28:21 2008 From: tilman at crux.nu (Tilman Sauerbeck) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:28:21 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Please update your ports in the 2.5 trees Message-ID: <20081209192820.GA24220@code-monkey.de> Hi guys, we're quite happy with how CRUX 2.5-rc1 turned out and would like to release the final "soonish". So, please update your ports in the various ports trees for 2.5. In particular, a bunch of perl and python ports need a footprint fix for the new perl/python releases. Programs written in C++ might need a patch to build with gcc 4.3. If you need help porting stuff, poke me on IRC (or by mail if you prefer). Thanks, Tilman -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi, mir wurde gerade berichtet, dass openldap auf 2.5 nicht komiliert. Da ich hier in Klagenfurt keinen Zugang zu einem Linuxrechner habe, kann ich mich erst am we um die Behebung des Fehlers k?mmern. Das scheint irgendwas mit der berkeley-db Version zu tun zu haben: configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB version incompatible bye richi From mike at openbunker.org Wed Dec 10 15:27:46 2008 From: mike at openbunker.org (Mikhail Kolesnik) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:27:46 +0200 Subject: [crux-devel] CRUX-2.5: net-snmp footprint-mismatch In-Reply-To: <493EB77B.20904@dbaudio.com> References: <493EB77B.20904@dbaudio.com> Message-ID: <20081210172746.56df7570@amilo> Hello, Falk. I am setting up a test machine for checking/updating my ports. Footprint mismatches should have an obvious fixes soon. -- Mikhail Kolesnik ICQ: 260259143 IRC: mike_k at freenode/#crux, rusnet/#yalta From tilman at crux.nu Wed Dec 10 19:23:01 2008 From: tilman at crux.nu (Tilman Sauerbeck) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:23:01 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] FOSDEM 2009 Message-ID: <20081210192300.GA17693@code-monkey.de> Hi, is anyone of you going to be at FOSDEM (http://fosdem.org) next year? I'll most likely be there :) Regards, Tilman -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Programs written in C++ might > > need a patch to build with gcc 4.3. If you need help porting stuff, > > poke me on IRC (or by mail if you prefer). > > Hi, > > mir wurde gerade berichtet, dass openldap auf 2.5 nicht komiliert. Da > ich hier in Klagenfurt keinen Zugang zu einem Linuxrechner habe, kann > ich mich erst am we um die Behebung des Fehlers k?mmern. > > Das scheint irgendwas mit der berkeley-db Version zu tun zu haben: > configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB version incompatible > Ich bin ein ... Jelly Donut? -- Lucas Hazel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From richard.poettler at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 07:19:46 2008 From: richard.poettler at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Richard_P=C3=B6ttler?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:19:46 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Please update your ports in the 2.5 trees In-Reply-To: <20081211103839.263b1b6a@akira.digitilocal> References: <20081209192820.GA24220@code-monkey.de> <5f52f29b0812092334s15cc30brf690d14d8600fa4f@mail.gmail.com> <20081211103839.263b1b6a@akira.digitilocal> Message-ID: <5f52f29b0812102319nd5a0bdbv90550108805ed26a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/11 Lucas Hazel : > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:34:07 +0100 > "Richard P?ttler" wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Tilman Sauerbeck >> wrote: >> > we're quite happy with how CRUX 2.5-rc1 turned out and would like to >> > release the final "soonish". >> > >> > So, please update your ports in the various ports trees for 2.5. >> > In particular, a bunch of perl and python ports need a footprint >> > fix for the new perl/python releases. Programs written in C++ might >> > need a patch to build with gcc 4.3. If you need help porting stuff, >> > poke me on IRC (or by mail if you prefer). >> >> mir wurde gerade berichtet, dass openldap auf 2.5 nicht komiliert. Da >> ich hier in Klagenfurt keinen Zugang zu einem Linuxrechner habe, kann >> ich mich erst am we um die Behebung des Fehlers k?mmern. >> >> Das scheint irgendwas mit der berkeley-db Version zu tun zu haben: >> configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB version incompatible > > Ich bin ein ... Jelly Donut? Ah, sorry, I thought I would send the mail to Tilman directly, but must have hit the wrong button... My mail only said, that I openldap doesn't compile and atm I don't have a linux machine available so that I can try to fix this. *checking recipients* bye richi From crux at roliveira.eu Mon Dec 15 09:26:38 2008 From: crux at roliveira.eu (Ricardo Oliveira) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:26:38 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [crux-devel] CRUX 2.5-rc2 In-Reply-To: <20081214101239.GB1119@code-monkey.de> References: <20081211172256.GC1128@code-monkey.de> <8e354bdf0812120513g2b220003j573c827e1b983bb5@mail.gmail.com> <196c22970812120519x119f929av5b671542f6f73788@mail.gmail.com> <20081212161238.GA1108@code-monkey.de> <7971bd1fe870ca0b08ee4078985a6739.squirrel@webmail.sublimeip.com> <20081214101239.GB1119@code-monkey.de> Message-ID: <40768.85.240.84.199.1229333198.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> Hello! I am writing for some feedback on the release candidate #2. The problems I have mentioned before for the test3 iso are solved, making the file system and boot times are normal (i.e., fast :D). Were there any changes? I have seen this reported but I don`t know if the word got to you developers: make menuconfig results in the following error: scripts/basic/fixdep.c: In function 'is_defined_config': scripts/basic/fixdep.c:399: internal compiler error: Illegal instruction Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source if available See for instructions. make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 make: *** scripts_basic] Error 2 Regards From tilman at crux.nu Mon Dec 15 17:18:42 2008 From: tilman at crux.nu (Tilman Sauerbeck) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:18:42 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] CRUX 2.5-rc2 In-Reply-To: <40768.85.240.84.199.1229333198.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> References: <20081211172256.GC1128@code-monkey.de> <8e354bdf0812120513g2b220003j573c827e1b983bb5@mail.gmail.com> <196c22970812120519x119f929av5b671542f6f73788@mail.gmail.com> <20081212161238.GA1108@code-monkey.de> <7971bd1fe870ca0b08ee4078985a6739.squirrel@webmail.sublimeip.com> <20081214101239.GB1119@code-monkey.de> <40768.85.240.84.199.1229333198.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> Message-ID: <20081215171842.GA1161@code-monkey.de> Ricardo Oliveira [2008-12-15 09:26]: > [...] > make menuconfig results in the following error: > > scripts/basic/fixdep.c: In function 'is_defined_config': > scripts/basic/fixdep.c:399: internal compiler error: Illegal instruction > Please submit a full bug report, > with preprocessed source if available > See for instructions. > make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 > make: *** scripts_basic] Error 2 What CPU does this happen with? 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The info is: C3 Nehemiah (C5X/C5XL/C5P) vendor_id : CentaurHauls cpu family : 6 model : 9 model name : VIA Nehemiah > Regards, > Tilman Regards, From lucas at die.net.au Mon Dec 15 20:34:07 2008 From: lucas at die.net.au (Lucas Hazel) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:34:07 +1100 Subject: [crux-devel] CRUX 2.5-rc2 In-Reply-To: <45555.92.250.117.27.1229371134.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> References: <20081211172256.GC1128@code-monkey.de> <8e354bdf0812120513g2b220003j573c827e1b983bb5@mail.gmail.com> <196c22970812120519x119f929av5b671542f6f73788@mail.gmail.com> <20081212161238.GA1108@code-monkey.de> <7971bd1fe870ca0b08ee4078985a6739.squirrel@webmail.sublimeip.com> <20081214101239.GB1119@code-monkey.de> <40768.85.240.84.199.1229333198.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> <20081215171842.GA1161@code-monkey.de> <45555.92.250.117.27.1229371134.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> Message-ID: <20081216073407.765b6dd6@akira.digitilocal> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:58:54 -0000 (UTC) "Ricardo Oliveira" wrote: > Hello, > > >> [...] > >> make menuconfig results in the following error: > >> > >> scripts/basic/fixdep.c: In function 'is_defined_config': > >> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:399: internal compiler error: Illegal > >> instruction Please submit a full bug report, > >> with preprocessed source if available > >> See for instructions. > >> make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 > >> make: *** scripts_basic] Error 2 > > > > What CPU does this happen with? > > The info is: > C3 Nehemiah (C5X/C5XL/C5P) > vendor_id : CentaurHauls > cpu family : 6 > model : 9 > model name : VIA Nehemiah > I also got this on rc1, going to try with rc2. CPU is a Celeron 400 -- Lucas Hazel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com Tue Dec 16 14:54:25 2008 From: Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com (Falk Hamann) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:54:25 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] openldap failed building at CRUX-2.5 In-Reply-To: <493EB395.9030008@dbaudio.com> References: <493EB395.9030008@dbaudio.com> Message-ID: <4947C121.6080300@dbaudio.com> Hi Richard Could you solve the configure problem? Gentoo and arch uses openldap-2.3.43 with db-4.5.20. openldap: http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageDetails;package=451 http://packages.gentoo.org/package/net-nds/openldap db: http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageDetails;package=1664 http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-libs/db Falk Hamann wrote: > checking db.h usability... yes > checking db.h presence... yes > checking for db.h... yes > checking for Berkeley DB major version... 4 > checking for Berkeley DB minor version... 7 > checking for Berkeley DB link (-ldb-4)... yes > checking for Berkeley DB version match... yes > checking for Berkeley DB thread support... yes > checking Berkeley DB version for BDB/HDB backends... no > configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB version incompatible > =======> ERROR: Building '/usr/ports/pkg/openldap#2.3.43-1.pkg.tar.gz' > failed. > Regards, Falk -- Falk Hamann, IT T +49-7191-9669-242, F +49-7191-9669-6242, Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com www.dbaudio.com d&b audiotechnik GmbH, Eugen-Adolff-Str. 134, 71522 Backnang, Germany Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Frank Bothe, Markus Strohmeier Finanzen: Kay Lange; Marketing: Simon Johnston; Vertrieb: Peter Tongue Sitz: Backnang; Amtsgericht - Registergericht - Stuttgart, HRB 725789 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 4833 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From richard.poettler at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 15:22:41 2008 From: richard.poettler at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Richard_P=C3=B6ttler?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:22:41 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Fwd: openldap failed building at CRUX-2.5 In-Reply-To: <4947C121.6080300@dbaudio.com> References: <493EB395.9030008@dbaudio.com> <4947C121.6080300@dbaudio.com> Message-ID: <5f52f29b0812160722i7ad0d721q2f92d3414f609bf0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, atm I am the maintainer of the openldap port in opt and Falk Hamann reported, that it won't build on CRUX 2.5. I intented to handle this last weekend, but couldn't make it because of some troubles in my family. If the 2.5 release is urgent, I would ask you guys to handle this this time. If it isn't urgent, I would say you leave it to me, since I have my holidays beginning at 20.12.2008 (which is in 4 days) for two weeks, which should be plenty of time to sort those things out. Usually I would do this during the week, but I am working in Klagenfurt atm, where I don't have my CRUX available and didn't have the time to setup proxytunnel until now. Sorry for any inconveniences... bye richi (namenlos) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Falk Hamann Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM Subject: Re: openldap failed building at CRUX-2.5 To: richard.poettler at gmail.com Cc: crux-devel Hi Richard Could you solve the configure problem? Gentoo and arch uses openldap-2.3.43 with db-4.5.20. openldap: http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageDetails;package=451 http://packages.gentoo.org/package/net-nds/openldap db: http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageDetails;package=1664 http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-libs/db Falk Hamann wrote: > > checking db.h usability... yes > checking db.h presence... yes > checking for db.h... yes > checking for Berkeley DB major version... 4 > checking for Berkeley DB minor version... 7 > checking for Berkeley DB link (-ldb-4)... yes > checking for Berkeley DB version match... yes > checking for Berkeley DB thread support... yes > checking Berkeley DB version for BDB/HDB backends... no > configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB version incompatible > =======> ERROR: Building '/usr/ports/pkg/openldap#2.3.43-1.pkg.tar.gz' failed. > Regards, Falk -- Falk Hamann, IT T +49-7191-9669-242, F +49-7191-9669-6242, Falk.Hamann at dbaudio.com www.dbaudio.com d&b audiotechnik GmbH, Eugen-Adolff-Str. 134, 71522 Backnang, Germany Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Frank Bothe, Markus Strohmeier Finanzen: Kay Lange; Marketing: Simon Johnston; Vertrieb: Peter Tongue Sitz: Backnang; Amtsgericht - Registergericht - Stuttgart, HRB 725789 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 4833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From richard.poettler at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 16:08:22 2008 From: richard.poettler at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Richard_P=C3=B6ttler?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:08:22 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] openldap failed building at CRUX-2.5 In-Reply-To: <5f52f29b0812160722i7ad0d721q2f92d3414f609bf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <493EB395.9030008@dbaudio.com> <4947C121.6080300@dbaudio.com> <5f52f29b0812160722i7ad0d721q2f92d3414f609bf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f52f29b0812160808u5023023fm5e9f4536bdab6a1d@mail.gmail.com> Oh, sorry for the double-post, I haven't seen, that this already went to the mailinglist... bye richi From sip at varlock.com Wed Dec 17 21:31:52 2008 From: sip at varlock.com (Simone Rota) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:31:52 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Resigning Message-ID: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> Hello, As you surely noticed I've been quite inactive during the last months, or worse, years. Actually the last version I actively helped to ship was 2.2, and my efforts gradually diminished as we approached 2.3. It took me a while to realize things are not going to change. I wish I could say that it's just lack of time, but fact is that I'm simply loosing interest in certain aspects of tinkering with 1s and 0s and focusing on others. That's why I'm stepping down as a maintainer. Thanks everybody, current and past contributors, I cannot find enough words to describe how much this experience has been fun and stimulating. On a more practical note, feel free to contact me about the crux.nu setup and all the other things I pretended to be the maintainer of ;-) Best regards and good luck, Simone P.S. as my last contribution I single-handedly fixed the following show-stopper for the 2.5 release: http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf846757069cbd0f164425b861dba44910e03a6d -- Simone Rota Bergamo, Italy - http://www.varlock.com From jw at smts.ch Wed Dec 17 22:25:14 2008 From: jw at smts.ch (Johannes Winkelmann) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:25:14 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Resigning In-Reply-To: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> References: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> Message-ID: <20081217222514.GA18203@selenium.smts.lan> Hi Simone, On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 22:31:52 +0100, Simone Rota wrote: > Hello, [...] > That's why I'm stepping down as a maintainer. It's sad to see you go, it's been fun working with you during the past years! Thanks a lot for all the work you did for CRUX. I wish you all the best, and hope that you'll fire up an IRC client from time to time to check back on us :-). Kind regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw at smts.ch Zurich, Switzerland http://jw.smts.ch From jw at smts.ch Wed Dec 17 22:26:26 2008 From: jw at smts.ch (Johannes Winkelmann) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:26:26 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Resigning In-Reply-To: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> References: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> Message-ID: <20081217222626.GB18203@selenium.smts.lan> Hey, Following up privately, I hope we can stay in contact somehow... I know it's hard, but it would be nice to meet up again sometimes in the future and have a couple of beers! Best wishes, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw at smts.ch Zurich, Switzerland http://jw.smts.ch From jw at smts.ch Wed Dec 17 22:30:22 2008 From: jw at smts.ch (Johannes Winkelmann) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:30:22 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Reply fail [WAS: Resigning] In-Reply-To: <20081217222626.GB18203@selenium.smts.lan> References: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> <20081217222626.GB18203@selenium.smts.lan> Message-ID: <20081217223022.GC18203@selenium.smts.lan> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 23:26:26 +0100, Johannes Winkelmann wrote: > Hey, > > Following up privately, I hope we can stay in contact somehow... I know > it's hard, but it would be nice to meet up again sometimes in the future > and have a couple of beers! Well, I guess I failed at replying privately :-) Sorry for the noise, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw at smts.ch Zurich, Switzerland http://jw.smts.ch From pitillo at ono.com Wed Dec 17 23:28:55 2008 From: pitillo at ono.com (Victor Martinez) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:28:55 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Resigning In-Reply-To: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> References: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> Message-ID: <20081218002855.00cea57e.pitillo@ono.com> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:31:52 +0100 Simone Rota wrote: [...] Hello Simone, thank you very much for your time expent and your good work. It's hard to lose good people in a distro like CRUX. Best wishes, Victor. -- Learning bit by bit. -pitillo- From jdolan at jdolan.dyndns.org Thu Dec 18 00:06:37 2008 From: jdolan at jdolan.dyndns.org (Jay Dolan) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:06:37 -0500 Subject: [crux-devel] Resigning In-Reply-To: <20081217222626.GB18203@selenium.smts.lan> References: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> <20081217222626.GB18203@selenium.smts.lan> Message-ID: <4949940D.5080707@jdolan.dyndns.org> Johannes Winkelmann wrote: > Hey, > > Following up privately, I hope we can stay in contact somehow... I know > it's hard, but it would be nice to meet up again sometimes in the future > and have a couple of beers! > > Best wishes, Johannes CruxCon2004 Reunion? I'm in. ;) -- Jay Dolan jdolan.dyndns.org A: Because it's difficult to read. Q: Why is top-posting bad? A: Top posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing about email? From jue at jue.li Thu Dec 18 08:33:32 2008 From: jue at jue.li (Juergen Daubert) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:33:32 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Resigning In-Reply-To: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> References: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> Message-ID: <20081218083332.GA10924@jue.netz> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:31:52PM +0100, Simone Rota wrote: > Hello, Hello Simone, [...] > That's why I'm stepping down as a maintainer. It's really sad to hear this from you. Many thanks for your big contribution to CRUX over several years, you'll be missed. All the best Juergen > > P.S. as my last contribution I single-handedly fixed the following > show-stopper for the 2.5 release: > > http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf846757069cbd0f164425b861dba44910e03a6d :-) -- Juergen Daubert | mailto:jue at jue.li Korb, Germany | http://jue.li/crux From jue at jue.li Thu Dec 18 08:39:24 2008 From: jue at jue.li (Juergen Daubert) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:39:24 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] CRUX 2.5-rc2 In-Reply-To: <40768.85.240.84.199.1229333198.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> References: <20081211172256.GC1128@code-monkey.de> <8e354bdf0812120513g2b220003j573c827e1b983bb5@mail.gmail.com> <196c22970812120519x119f929av5b671542f6f73788@mail.gmail.com> <20081212161238.GA1108@code-monkey.de> <7971bd1fe870ca0b08ee4078985a6739.squirrel@webmail.sublimeip.com> <20081214101239.GB1119@code-monkey.de> <40768.85.240.84.199.1229333198.squirrel@webmail.roliveira.eu> Message-ID: <20081218083924.GB10924@jue.netz> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 09:26:38AM -0000, Ricardo Oliveira wrote: > Hello! Hello Ricardo, > I am writing for some feedback on the release candidate #2. > The problems I have mentioned before for the test3 iso are solved, making > the file system and boot times are normal (i.e., fast :D). Were there any > changes? > > I have seen this reported but I don`t know if the word got to you developers: > > make menuconfig results in the following error: > > scripts/basic/fixdep.c: In function 'is_defined_config': > scripts/basic/fixdep.c:399: internal compiler error: Illegal instruction > Please submit a full bug report, > with preprocessed source if available > See for instructions. > make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 > make: *** scripts_basic] Error 2 Please have a look at ticket #386 [1] and report if the proposed solution works for you as well. Thanks Juergen [1] http://crux.nu/bugs/?do=details&task_id=386 -- Juergen Daubert | mailto:jue at jue.li Korb, Germany | http://jue.li/crux From viper at hometux.de Fri Dec 19 16:04:54 2008 From: viper at hometux.de (Simon =?iso-8859-1?q?Glo=DFner?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:04:54 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] My status Message-ID: <200812191704.55046.viper@hometux.de> Hey, maybe you've already noticed that I have been quite inactive these days. The problem is that I don't have much time and, in addition, I don't have access to a linux pc at the place where I am studying. I am only using CRUX at home at my desktop pc at the moment. I don't want to retire from the project, as it's possible that my situation will change in the future. At the weekends and at semester breaks I will try to keep my ports up to date and work at the portdb. But if there are any important updates (e.g. security related), please update them for me. And perhaps somebody is interested in adopting some of my ports. Regards Simon From tilman at crux.nu Fri Dec 19 22:09:57 2008 From: tilman at crux.nu (Tilman Sauerbeck) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:09:57 +0100 Subject: [crux-devel] Resigning In-Reply-To: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> References: <49496FC8.9000602@varlock.com> Message-ID: <20081219220957.GA29805@code-monkey.de> Simone Rota [2008-12-17 22:31]: Hi Simone, > As you surely noticed I've been quite inactive during the last > months, or worse, years. Actually the last version I actively > helped to ship was 2.2, and my efforts gradually diminished > as we approached 2.3. > > It took me a while to realize things are not going to change. > I wish I could say that it's just lack of time, but fact is > that I'm simply loosing interest in certain aspects of tinkering > with 1s and 0s and focusing on others. So we'll see a new Slim soon? Great ;D > That's why I'm stepping down as a maintainer. > > Thanks everybody, current and past contributors, I cannot find > enough words to describe how much this experience has been fun > and stimulating. Thanks for helping out with CLC/CRUX all those years :) > On a more practical note, feel free to contact me about the > crux.nu setup and all the other things I pretended to be the > maintainer of ;-) Hehe, I surely will ask about crux.nu :D Regards, Tilman -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems to me that mpg321 could be safely dropped. Regards, Tilman -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: