[crux-devel] How to speed up CRUX maintenance?

Clemens Koller clemens.ml at gmx.net
Fri Dec 11 03:36:22 UTC 2009

Hello, Richard!

Richard Pöttler schrieb:
> Am 10.12.2009 21:25, schrieb Clemens Koller:
>> What about adding something like prt-get --push <portname>
>> that a newly created / updated port will be published
>> to some mailing list for review and inclusion into i.e. contrib?
> You think about something like git-format-patch and git-send-email? ;)

Yes, for example. It seems like a very good idea to use git. But how
many users are using git and push their changes nowadays? Why isn't this
part of the default setup?

>> I take care of my own (maybe five to ten) ports which get an update every
>> once in a while. I think adding my repo to the already 50 others
>> doesn't make sense since I don't see any advantage to have even more
>> repos and
>> more different versions to choose from (not knowing versions without
>> checking
>> it manually).
>> I think it would be much better to centralise the repositories to get
>> opt and contrib more up-to-date instead of everybody is doing his/her own
>> thing. What do you think?
> Somehow I don't get, how you came to the conclusion, that you want to 
> centralize all ports, but don't think, that it is worth to publish your 
> own ports.

I think that a problem is that (duplicated) ports are scattered among many
repos and it's hard to find out which one is the most current and which one
is most likely to work for a quick and dirty update - increasing the version
number, adjusting the Pkgfile a bit, check footprint and ... ?

In my point of view, something is missing in the default CRUX way: Feedback to
one _central_ place.

> Imho it is pretty simple to become a conrtib maintainer to make your 
> ports available for everyone.

If it's so simple, can it become a default for everyone?
A simple way to push changes to i.e. contrib (via a list and via review by
some list members) would imo motivate more people to contribute.

This could focus development more to one 'upstream' repository and
avoid more diversification of the ports.

> The problem I see in putting everything in contrib is that _everyone_ 
> then puts his port into it and therefore (if someone puts a port there 
> and forgets about them) ports can get unmaintained pretty soon. You 
> could work arround this, if you say, that everyone is "allowed" to 
> update everyone's port in conrtib. But as a developer I know, that you 
> can pretty easyly offend other developers, if you touch their code, so 
> this could be some kind of contraproductive.

There need be an instance to review these changes - a list.

A clearly visible version and timestamp could make it very clear which
port is old an could benefit from an update.

Example: I need to update qt4 because I want to find out if the newest
qtcreator can be used for sw development for a project.
That is: qt-4.6.0 and qtcreator-1.3.0

What do you do? Search the portdb for 'qt'...
You will get some hits:  3x qt4,  qt-creator and qtcreator
from different collections. (Some work was done more than once.)

Now, you need to find and decide which qt thing is good for you.
Here, the mess starts:

You cannot check all the Pkgfiles in one place. -> :-(
You have to check the Pkgfiles manually to find out which
version can be preferrably used for an update. -> :-(
You have to clone the whole collection if it's using
rsync just to be able to find out the version of one port... -> :-(
Something like timestamps don't really exist.

I hope you got what I try to suggest you.

Best regards,


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