Reminds me of when Solaris had to fork and become IllumOS, granted those were totally different circumstances, but I see a parallel in the urgency to "fork to protect" Another point raised here, as more and more applications adopt this SystemD-only script system, that could make recompilation efforts more akin to porting efforts. Sigh. Then there comes the broader industry support... I don't know, I find this all concerning. I'm thinking about the business angles, if I'm intel or nvidia, etc, and I hear "Oh, we're only supporting SystemD now, less work for us? Cool." those dominos can cascade and make it harder for us to get drivers, too. What do we do? On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 8:56 AM lain. <lain@fair.moe> wrote:
"No, systemd will not take over Linux, it's just a crazy conspiracy theory" is what I keep getting told by these so-called "Linux guru's" on YouTube...
Between when I was told this lie for the first time and last time: * Cron is now being managed via systemd, because apparently regular Cron sucks? * Shutting down and rebooting the system is now done via systemd, because something's apparently wrong with "shutdown -h now"? * NTP is managed with systemd now * Network is managed with systemd now * Gnome is managed with systemd now
What's next? systemctl changedirectory /usr/bin? systemctl listfiles /home/user? systemctl createdirectory foldername? It's beyond ridiculous!
I can easily see GNU Coreutils being replaced by systemd-utild, and the Linux Kernel by systemd-linuxd. And let's replace GCC with systemd-compiled, because why not?
Devuan's DNG (Debian Not Gnome) list has a subthread going about systemd 254 changes related to deprecating sysv script support. I wanted to be sure CRUXers are aware of this. The complete thread (currently through July 28) is at https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20230728.071036.81291f54.en.html
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 14:30:36 +1000 onefang <onefang_devuan@sledjhamr.org> wrote:
On 2023-07-29 08:18:54, Alif Radhitya Wardana wrote:
Based on this changelog, what will happen in the future to SysV? I mean, if systemd forces people to create native systemd units, will
sysv scripts on their apps?
On July 29, 2023 3:20:17 AM GMT+07:00, tito via Dng < dng@lists.dyne.org> wrote:
Hi, A new, official systemd release (254) has just been tagged:
* Support for System V service scripts is now deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please make sure to update your software *now* to include a native systemd unit file instead of a legacy System V script to retain compatibility with future systemd releases.
A wonderful excuse to remove the last init scripts from packages.
Do I have to resurrect my ancient LSB compliant SysV init code that could figure out dependencies, run things in parallel, and even work with init "scripts" written in ANY language? It was written as a busybox module, and could even cope with multiple other init "scripts" as modules in
On 2023年07月29日 10:37, David L. Craig wrote: people drop the
same busybox binary. LSB compliance means it reads the headers, which in typical init scripts are shell comments in the first few lines of the script.
I could teach it how to grok shitsemDie units.
Hi, yes using the info contained in .service units would be a elegant solution, but they ship a lot of them (and timers, targets, etc) so I suspect that picking the right ones is not simple without hardcoding the names (not so elegant), also the command lines used are different as the ones in SysV init scripts (daemonizing, logging). I would like to see your busybox module as I love busybox code. I recall that something like what you propose maybe was attempted (as a GSOC?).
Ciao, Tito
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