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[clc-devel] Re: Fw: Hosting of CruxCon 2005
by Jay Dolan 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

--- Ramprasad Bala <rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu> wrote: > > Hi Jay, > > Bolek forwarded this mail to me. I am looking into > this. I can probably get > you a room for a week with internet access, as long > as you can assure me > about the safety of the contents accessed through > the university > webservers. I have no doubt it will be fine. I need > you to be aware of our > concerns. I will check with the University brass > about this tomorrow. > Meanwhile can you send me on your official > stationary (if available) the > agenda for this meeting. I am going to need this to > give it to them (the > university) to request a room for a week. > > As you know, I have organized the Linux User Group > at the university. I > would love for you guys to give us a 1-2 hour > workshop and answer questions. > > Let me know what you think. > > Ram Hi Ram, Professor Mikolajczak, Thank you for getting back to me, and thank you so much for your help. I can assure you that the CLC has no ill intentions towards the University, and will in no way attempt to compromise the security of the campus network. Internet access would be used primarily for reference, as we plan to do quite a bit of hacking (read: coding) during our conference. The people attending are all professionals - some are even security specialists and IT administrators. I will formalize our agenda and submit it to you over the weekend. Our tentative agenda can be viewed, in the interim, here: http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/wiki?p=CruxConAgenda We would love to meet with your LUG, Ram. A brief presentation and some Q&A would be really fun. It would be best if we planned this for, say, the Thursday or Friday of that week. I've CC'ed the CLC team on this mail, and I'm sure they're excited as well. Thanks again, both of you. We're very greatful. I'll be in touch. Jay Jay Dolan Software Engineer, Systems Analyst Windmill Cycles, Inc. 508.999.4000 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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[clc-devel] Fwd: Fw: Hosting of CruxCon 2005
by Jay Dolan 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

--- Ramprasad Bala <rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu> wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:47:15 -0400 > To: jasonthomasdolan(a)yahoo.com > From: Ramprasad Bala <rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu> > Subject: Fw: Hosting of CruxCon 2005 > CC: Boleslaw Mikolajczak <bMikolajczak(a)UMassD.Edu> > > > Hi Jay, > > Bolek forwarded this mail to me. I am looking into > this. I can probably get > you a room for a week with internet access, as long > as you can assure me > about the safety of the contents accessed through > the university > webservers. I have no doubt it will be fine. I need > you to be aware of our > concerns. I will check with the University brass > about this tomorrow. > Meanwhile can you send me on your official > stationary (if available) the > agenda for this meeting. I am going to need this to > give it to them (the > university) to request a room for a week. > > As you know, I have organized the Linux User Group > at the university. I > would love for you guys to give us a 1-2 hour > workshop and answer questions. > > Let me know what you think. > > Ram > > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Dolan" > <jasonthomasdolan(a)yahoo.com> > >>To: <bmikolajczak(a)UMassD.Edu> > >>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:20 PM > >>Subject: Hosting of CruxCon 2005 > >> > >> > >>>Hello Professor, > >>> > >>>This is Jay Dolan, I graduated in 2002, and > attended > >>>the alumni meeting this past spring. How are > you? > >>> > >>>I'm doing well. Still working and living in this > >>>area. I'm employed as a full time software > engineer, > >>>developing web based retail and CRM systems. > >>> > >>>One of my hobbies, or passions, that I picked up > these > >>>past few years has been the development of a > GNU/Linux > >>>distrubution called Crux[1]. I'm one of a team > of > >>>less than twenty that packages, distributes, and > >>>maintains the operating system. It's a very > >>>interesting project. We attempt to tame bleeding > edge > >>>open source software like Linux 2.6, udev, gcc > 3.4, > >>>etc.. > >>> > >>>Last year, the team held our first anual summit > in > >>>Stockholm, Sweden. I attended, and found the > meeting > >>>to be very productive and enjoyable. As Boston > was > >>>suggested as a meeting place this year, I've been > >>>asked to host and coordinate the group. > >>> > >>>I'm writing to ask if the University could > provide us > >>>with a room, or part of a room, to conduct our > daily > >>>meetings in. The conference is for 1 week, that > of > >>>November 7th. There will be between 5 and 10 > persons > >>>attending, myself included. > >>> > >>>All we require is a relatively quiet place to > work, > >>>preferably with some sort of Internet access. > Our > >>>meetings are mostly brainstorming and hacking > >>>sessions. If you feel as tho the student body > would > >>>be interested, we could offer a 1 hour > presentation on > >>>the project, or certain aspects of it that > pertain to > >>>a given course/subject. > >>> > >>>Some of the team members attending are extremely > >>>bright, and are coming from all over the world > >>>(Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, and the > US). I > >>>would really appreciate it if my alma mater > welcomed > >>>them, in the spirit of research and progress in > >>>software development. > >>> > >>>[1] http://crux.nu, http://clc.morpheus.net > >>> > >>>I look forward to your response. Feel free to > ask for > >>>any clarifications. > >>> > >>>Best regards, > >>> > >>>Jay Dolan > >>>Software Engineer, Systems Analyst > >>>Windmill Cycles, Inc. > >>>508.999.4000 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Yahoo! Mail > >>>Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take > the tour: > >>>http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > Ramprasad Balasubramanian, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor, Computer and Information > Science > University of Massachusetts Dartmouth > No. Dartmouth, MA 02747 > Ph: 508 999 8259, Fax : 508 999 9144 > E-mail : rbalasubrama(a)umassd.edu > Web: www.cis.umassd.edu/~rbalasubrama/home/ > > Jay Dolan Software Engineer, Systems Analyst Windmill Cycles, Inc. 508.999.4000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[clc-devel] CVS/SVN Versions of ports (policy?)
by James Mills 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

HI GUys, What is our policy on providing cvs/svn versions of ports ? Do we name the port 'port'-svn or just 'port' with the version 'svn' ? cheers James -- -- -"Problems are Solved by Method" -

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[clc-devel] CruxCon 2005 - Boston, MA, USA
by Jay Dolan 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

Hi guys, Boston, Massachusetts, has been selected for this year's conference. Meetings will be held the week of November 7th in New Bedford and/or North Dartmouth, where I live[1]. We're also factoring in one recreational day of sight seeing and fun in Boston, so bring your beer mugs. I can provide accomodations for 2 attendants. Neither spot has been spoken for yet. There are also several reasonably priced hotels[2] within 15 minutes from my apartment. I live approximately 1 hour from Logan Intl Airport. I have absolutely no problem making one trip for departures and arrivals, each. Additional rides can be arranged in exchange for backrubs. It would be helpful if those who want a ride to/from the airport coordinate their flight times with the other attendants. Probable attendants: Per Liden Johannes Winkelmann Matt Housh Jay Dolan (I dunno, I might skip..) We have some big issues to tackle this year. Merging the two projects, their websites, and deploying the new 'contrib' collection are among them. Hopefully, with a full week to work together, we can accomplish a great deal. Please consider attending if you have the means to. We have a lot of planning to do (most of that will fall on my lap, which is fine :)) I will do everything I can to accomodate, organize, and provide whatever we need. I hope to hear from you all soon. [1]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34+s+6th+st,+new+bedford,+ma&spn=0.019624,0… [2]http://www.hotels.com/processSearch.do?inout=&CIYear=2005&COYear=2005&sea… Jay Dolan Software Engineer, Systems Analyst Windmill Cycles, Inc. 508.999.4000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[clc-devel] CRUXCon 2005
by Johannes Winkelmann 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Hi there, As same of you probably remember we had a nice get together in Stockholm last year, discussing issues and goals of CRUX and CLC and preparing some ideas for the future. The experience from the last year shows that it's important to prepare early enough for this meeting, and I'd therefore like to ask your opinion on having another CRUXCon later this year. I've made a list of thing I consider interesting and worth discussing at http://clc.morpheus.net:6999/clc/wiki?p=CruxConAgenda Furthermore, it's always interesting to see the other guys in real life, and I personally liked last year's event very much. The proposed time is november; if we want to do some actual hacking, a duration of a week would be great. Also this allows for more social activities. Last year, we met in Stockholm, with Jay and Matt coming especially from the US. This year's location is yet to be set. To get an idea of the interest, I'd appreciate if interested CLC members to take following survey: -------- 1. Would/Could you attend CRUXCon '05 in november this year? 2. Would you attend even if it was on another continent (US <-> Europe <-> Australia)? 3. Could you attend a meeting with a duration of a week? 4. Do you have any suggestion where it should be held this year? -------- Kind regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Bern, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net

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[clc-devel] Proposal for multi-architecture ports management
by Johannes Winkelmann 15 Aug '05

15 Aug '05

Hi, Multi architecture support was of some interest for some time already, and the momentum and demand for crux on x86_64 is growing; also, there are some maintainers here that have x86_64 cpu's already. I'm one of them, but ran the regular 32-bit version so far, mainly because I'm still maintaining a few ports for the 32-bit version and didn't want to get into a conflict there. I think though that the time has come to seriously consider solutions to improve the support for multiple architectures, and to enable ports (of CRUX) to non-x86 architectures to use and re-use the work we put into the ports tree. You might be aware that I've experimented a long time ago with a merge tool called mppm, which worked rather nice, and was used by Simone for uCRUX. http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/mppm.html Also, I wrote a merge point tracking for subversion called xsvn, which I used for CRUX/SPARC. http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/xsvn/xsvn-howto.html I think that using a pure revision control tool isn't really suitable to solve our problem, and that using a semi-smart tool for the task of syncing ports is much better. As a consequence of the experience gained from using mppm and xsvn, I've tried to come up with an improved concept for multi-architecutre support. The result is a rather long document, and can be found at http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/multi-arch-proposal I understand that not all of you are interested in this at this point in time, which is perfectly fine. If you are though, I'd appreciate if you could read through this document, ask and/or comment. If wanted, I can add it to the CLC wiki, but figured that at this point in time, I'd rather keep it on my website to underline it's inofficial state. Thanks for your attention, Regards, Johannes -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Bern, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net

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[clc-devel] ports for ruby gems
by Johannes Winkelmann 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Hi, Ruby has its own package management system called 'gems'. It supports dependency checking, and simplifies packaging for developers (see [1] for more information). Certain packages are mainly distributed as gems, including the much hyped "Ruby on Rails". The positive thing about gems is that they support DESTDIR installations. This allows to install a gem directly into a crux package. Since the steps for this are always the same, it's possible to have a generic build() function which works for all gems (at least all I tested). I saw this on gentoo BTW, so I didn't invent anything here. I now built a rubygems port which includes a template Pkgfile with a generic build function (you can see it at [2]). Gems ports can source this, and are therefore very easy to create. A typical Pkgfile could look like this: # header name=activerecord version=1.11.1 release=1 source=(http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/5163/activerecord-1.11.1.gem) . /usr/share/rubygems/Pkgfile.template Now, while this is really simple, it hides all the details of the installation; one could do something similar for autotools projects, and so on... I don't think we want to push this. Unlike autotools projects, gems always have the very same installation procedure, therefore it could make sense to make an exception in this case. I'd like to hear comments though about both ruby ports in general, and this Pkgfile.template sourcing. Kind regards, Johannes P.S. I'm rather tired now, so place excuse any grammar and spelling errors :-) References: 1. http://rubygarden.org/ruby/ruby?RubyGems 2. http://jw.tks6.net/files/crux/ports/rubygems/Pkgfile.template -- Johannes Winkelmann mailto:jw@tks6.net Bern, Switzerland http://jw.tks6.net

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[clc-devel] udev 060 in cvs, please test
by Matt Housh 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'd appreciate it if a few of you could test udev 060 and let me know what's missing from the rules list. I stopped stealing gentoo's rules list and made my own cleaned up crux version. It's in cvs as crux-udev.rules if you want to check it out, and the 060 version of the port uses it. I'm sure it's missing some things so please let me know and I'll add them before I tag it CONTRIB-2_1. Thanks in advance. :) Matt (jaeger@freenode/#crux) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCzAMTGFVQ7mavvGgRAmgPAJ4yiTHKtz/iZi3+ZD9Tai9PqtpWPwCbBECC xBq49WzhdIP8LvKfQbv2lJ8= =3dhG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[clc-devel] I'll be off for some time
by Till Biedermann 16 Jun '05

16 Jun '05

Hi everybody, next monday I'll start my industrial placement. That's why I'm going to move to Ingolstadt[1] this weekend. Besides the predictable stress this will cause there is an other problem: it seems that my new flat there has no Phone/ISDN/DSL. I'll hope I can change this as soon as possible. So don't wonder when my response times increases a little bit :-) Anyhow I will of course check my emails regulary, keep track of the upcomming changes in the CLC and continue my work on the port database. I'll keep you informed. Regards Till [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingolstadt -- http://www.tbmnet.de ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de

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[clc-devel] Re: CRUX Hosting (Mitex)
by Per Liden 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

Hi, Ok, here's a status update. Below you will find Charlies answer to my first mail. What has happened after that is that I've been to Kalmar to talk to Charlie and check out thier place. Charlie is a very helpful guy and he will set up a server for us. I've donated a CPU and I've also promised to pay for some additional hardware that Charlie will arrage (rack casing, harddisks, etc). Once the machine is up and running (I don't know when that will be, maybe you Charlie can give some estimate?) we can start transferring our stuff, and once we're happy with the new setup I'll redirect crux.nu to our new machine. I guess we'll also have to outline a few "rules", like who should have root access, who should get accounts and access to this and that. /Per > Hi > > Sorry it have take take a while but I have bean working with some project with > strange or not so obvious deadline. This is still some work to do but it seams > to now come to an end. > > Since we talk about this a lot of things have happened. There is new company > and new owners. Then new Company name is Kalmar NDC AB. This is the result of > all the work we have made since sep 2004. We had an agreement to go together > with an other company but that was not the real intention from the other > company owners. So we was fooled for about 50 000, so Mitex was bankrupted. > > The new owners run an other company, Kalmar Game Center with LaserGame as > primary activity. During springtime 2004 they started an New InternetCafé. > First Mitex was the ISP for them, but when we told them about the problem, and > ask them if they was interested to join this branch, they didn't hesitate. > > Why!. My first concern was, will Crux be continued devleoped, because I didn't > se any info in that until late of march 2005. We use only Crux on all our > servers and like to do that, so far every thing have work really good since we > introduced Crux in early 2001. So my offer to host crux and CLC are still > open. > > As I recall the best way is to set up an dedicated "CRUX" based Linux server. > We can host it and provide Internet access. I can't right now get the new > owner to invest i an server so that must be solved in an other way. What I can > do is to provide one for self cost. We build all our servers. Basically on > Tyan or Asus motherboards. Several of our new servers using dual XEON CPU's > with SATA Soft RAID. > Prise level between 350 , for a singel Intel CPU based server, to 900 for a > dual Intel Xeon based server, with 3 * 250 soft-RAID disk. > > All our servers are physical installed in a brand new Data Center. Which we > did build when we mowed to the new location next to Kalmar Game Center. All > the new servers a 19" based. > > We are connected to Internet via Fiber and have an 100 Mbs connection which is > shaped to 30 Mbs right now. The average use now is around 12-15 Mbs. We can > get 1 Gbs. Our connection is hooked to SongNetworks WAN Backbone in Kalmar via > 2.5 Gbs connection to Malmoe. Our ping time to Malmoe GIX are around 5-7 ms. > > Primary routing is based on Crux Linux through HP ProCurve switches. Our > Shaping is also based on an separate Crux based PC. > > Kalmar NDC provide Internet connection via Radio-LAN, Webb hosting, eMail (1 > miljon per week, most SPAM but filtered) Co-location hosting. We also Host or > rent out Game Servers as part of Kalmar Game Center service. > > We can Shape Crux server to 5/15 Mbs Which means there is always 5 Mbs > available but can be up to 15 Mbs if there is free bandwidth. We are in > progress to get 150 Mbs.. Then we will get GigaBitt fiber connection. > As it is now the Incoming traffic are grater the outgoing so this should be > good for a lot of download from Curx page/FTP etc. > > I'm not an Linux expert. Crux is my first Linux dist. Not the best way to > learn.. But we had 2 good Linux technician. John Westerlund (RedSpike) > Introduced Crux, then we have Jhonny Paulsen (Pulle) which was our technician > until 2004. RedSpike did contribute with a lot of ports for 0.9x versions.... > So I have learn the hard way, from just maintain all the Linux servers to now > install by my self. We have now a good young guy who help us part time so all > the tricky things he solve for us, only 16 years old.. > > Regards > > Charlie G Mentorez > > At 5/23/2005 23:03, you wrote: > > Hey Charlie and CLC guys, > > > > I'm writing in english and CC'ing the CLC mailinglist so that the CLC-team > > can also participate in this discussion. > > > > First just a short summary to bring the CLC guys up to date. > > (Charlie, feel free to correct any inaccurates in my summary). > > > > Some time ago Charlie asked me if there was something he could do to help > > the CRUX project. Charlie works at Mitex (an ISP in Kalmar/Sweden that use > > CRUX on ~30 of their servers) and since the CRUX/CLC project have been > > looking for alternative hosting for some time I took the opportunity to > > ask if some kind of dedicated server was possible to arrange. Charlie was > > quite positive to this and thought it would be possible to make something > > like this happen. At the time we spoke I was in the middle of releasing > > CRUX 2.1 (i.e. had lot's to do) so I said I would come back to this once > > the dust had settled. > > > > So, here we are. CRUX 2.1 has been released and now would be a good time > > to return to the hosting issue. > > > > I'd like to start of this discussion by asking you Charlie, first of all, > > does the offer still stand? If so, could you please make short summary of > > what kind of hosting you (Mitex?) could provide for the CRUX/CLC project? > > I'm thinking that things like server/disk capacity, limitations on > > bandwidth, possible firewalls, root access, general ruls, etc are things > > of interest to us and a good starting point. > > > > kind regards, > > /Per

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